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I disagree with racism being an issue keeping blacks & latinos from open source / free software development and I don't understand why people keep talking about

I disagree with racism being an issue keeping blacks & latinos from open source / free software development and I don't understand why people keep talking about barriers to software development. These days computers are ubiquitous (in the developed world at least). You can be poor but still afford a computer, and all the knowledge and tools you need are available for free. The only potential barriers I see is having the skills required to make useful contributions to an established project (something at the level of the existing developers) and free time. About myself: I didn't go to a great school; Didn't have friends or classmates who were interested in computers or programming; Didn't have a role model to inspire or guide me; Never went to a workshop or joined a user group; Never attended a computer science class until I was in college. I got fascinated by computers by reading about them in a newspaper when I was a kid, and had to go on a hunger strike every night until my father caved in and bought one for the house. By the time I was 15 I worked together with 4 guys to build a popular website and we developed a file editor together. We collaborated over IRC and what's interesting is that we knew nothing about each other except our nicknames and where we lived (This was before social networks became popular). Nothing else mattered except our mutual interest and skill. Oh, and I'm not white.

sergiotapia 13y ago
>I don't understand why people keep talking about barriers to software development. Because 'white guilt', and people need _something_ to post about in their tumblr blogs. ;) I'd like to see some specific cases of racism in open source. I've been working professionally for 7 years, and I haven't seen a single case of racism anywhere in open source. I just can't imagine it; who would put themselves out there like that doing something terrible, and what community would allow that?
- steveklabnik 13y ago
  Earlier in the thread knowtheory describes a specific situation that happens over and over and over again.
  - sergiotapia 13y ago
    Are you talking about: "It's a sad joke Rubyconf attendees yearly confuse @bryanl and @daksis with each other, but it's happened at every Rubyconf i've been too (which is granted 3 but it's there)."? I don't think there's anything racist about that if it's an honest mistake the audience makes. Or did you mean to say the actual presenters announce them by the wrong name?
    - steveklabnik 13y ago
      I'm curious, why would it be bad if the organizers of a conference made that mistake, but it's not bad if the attendees do? And yes, he means that people walk up to Randall and say "oh hey, Brian!" and vice versa. Really, really often. Sometimes repeatedly. They're different heights, they don't even look like each other at all. They're just usually the only two black guys there. It happens at more than just Ruby conferences...
      - sergiotapia 13y ago
        Because: a) They have never met the speaker personally. b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_perception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_perception It has --nothing-- to do with being racist.
        steveklabnik 13y ago
        > a) They have never met the speaker personally. Yes, this is "We met earlier in the day, I'm saying hello again." Or, like I said, a waiter that over the course of a multi-hour dinner and drinks, continually confuses the two. (EDIT: Whoops, when revising, I apparently deleted that story. I've seen this too.) Furthermore, it doesn't happen with other people, at least not to the same degree. People even say "whoops, I confused you with the other black guy."
        knowitall 13y ago
        Still, it's not racism, just the way the human visual system works. What do you think is racist about it? "People don't even care enough to remember the name"? That is not what is going on at all. If they wouldn't care, why would they talk to them at all? Who knows, perhaps they even have an advantage because people actually remember them. They only get their names mixed up sometimes - other people are simply forgotten completely. How often do you forget the name of people you have just been introduced to?

sergiotapia 13y ago

>I don't understand why people keep talking about barriers to software development. Because 'white guilt', and people need _something_ to post about in their tumblr blogs. ;) I'd like to see some specific cases of racism in open source. I've been working professionally for 7 years, and I haven't seen a single case of racism anywhere in open source. I just can't imagine it; who would put themselves out there like that doing something terrible, and what community would allow that?

steveklabnik 13y ago
Earlier in the thread knowtheory describes a specific situation that happens over and over and over again.
- sergiotapia 13y ago
  Are you talking about: "It's a sad joke Rubyconf attendees yearly confuse @bryanl and @daksis with each other, but it's happened at every Rubyconf i've been too (which is granted 3 but it's there)."? I don't think there's anything racist about that if it's an honest mistake the audience makes. Or did you mean to say the actual presenters announce them by the wrong name?
  - steveklabnik 13y ago
    I'm curious, why would it be bad if the organizers of a conference made that mistake, but it's not bad if the attendees do? And yes, he means that people walk up to Randall and say "oh hey, Brian!" and vice versa. Really, really often. Sometimes repeatedly. They're different heights, they don't even look like each other at all. They're just usually the only two black guys there. It happens at more than just Ruby conferences...
    - sergiotapia 13y ago
      Because: a) They have never met the speaker personally. b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_perception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_perception It has --nothing-- to do with being racist.
      - steveklabnik 13y ago
        > a) They have never met the speaker personally. Yes, this is "We met earlier in the day, I'm saying hello again." Or, like I said, a waiter that over the course of a multi-hour dinner and drinks, continually confuses the two. (EDIT: Whoops, when revising, I apparently deleted that story. I've seen this too.) Furthermore, it doesn't happen with other people, at least not to the same degree. People even say "whoops, I confused you with the other black guy."
        knowitall 13y ago
        Still, it's not racism, just the way the human visual system works. What do you think is racist about it? "People don't even care enough to remember the name"? That is not what is going on at all. If they wouldn't care, why would they talk to them at all? Who knows, perhaps they even have an advantage because people actually remember them. They only get their names mixed up sometimes - other people are simply forgotten completely. How often do you forget the name of people you have just been introduced to?