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I clicked in thinking this was going to be an interesting topic but your four bullets are idiotic. Why does everything have to be about sending things overseas

by ckopec 17y ago

I clicked in thinking this was going to be an interesting topic but your four bullets are idiotic. Why does everything have to be about sending things overseas or make the government deal with it? Why not start simple, teach better preventative care. What I mean is that the US as a whole is very unhealthy. Rather than having people wait till they get sick, get people to take better care of themselves through eating, fitness, etc. Even have means to reward these people. It's proven people that eat healthy and workout visit doctors/hospitals much less. An article I recently read stated that an obese person visits a doctor 10 times more in a year than a healthy person. Beyond this I think health plans should be revisited and restructured to make people more aware of their spending. Force people to watch their health care spending and limit it only to procedures that are necessary. It will make you reconsider visiting the ER with a cold rather than calling around, finding a family doctor and seeing him the following day.

anamax 17y ago
> Why not start simple, teach better preventative care. Better preventative care doesn't reduce costs, it increases them. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/business/08leonhardt.html?_r=1 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/business/08leonhardt.html?... Note that smoking is actually a net benefit. Smokers tend to die about the time that they start collecting retirement benefits. So, they pay in their entire working lives and get almost no return. (Black men are particularly hosed by this while non-smoking white women make out like crazy.)
- ckopec 17y ago
  The article you reference doesn't reinforce your point. It basically states that preventative care is not a proven solution. If you take the safeway example mentioned in that article. They have successfully reduced health care costs internally: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124476804026308603.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124476804026308603.html One point made in this article is that most health care costs are in fact preventative. "Safeway's plan capitalizes on two key insights gained in 2005. The first is that 70% of all health-care costs are the direct result of behavior. The second insight, which is well understood by the providers of health care, is that 74% of all costs are confined to four chronic conditions (cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes and obesity). Furthermore, 80% of cardiovascular disease and diabetes is preventable, 60% of cancers are preventable, and more than 90% of obesity is preventable." Given this statement, the money spent preventing these issues will be far less than the amount required to correct these issues in people once they get to the point of needing some type of hospital procedure or operation.
  - anamax 17y ago
    You're assuming that you spend prevention costs perfectly when you can't. The money that you spend on someone to prevent/reduce a problem is completely wasted if that is not suseptable or is struck by something else. (Also, the cost to deal with obesity and diabetes together is less than the sum of dealing with obesity and diabetes separately.) It's also wasted if the person gets the problem anyway. And, you're still ignoring the benefits of early death.

by ckopec 17y ago

anamax 17y ago

> Why not start simple, teach better preventative care. Better preventative care doesn't reduce costs, it increases them. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/business/08leonhardt.html?_r=1 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/business/08leonhardt.html?... Note that smoking is actually a net benefit. Smokers tend to die about the time that they start collecting retirement benefits. So, they pay in their entire working lives and get almost no return. (Black men are particularly hosed by this while non-smoking white women make out like crazy.)

ckopec 17y ago
The article you reference doesn't reinforce your point. It basically states that preventative care is not a proven solution. If you take the safeway example mentioned in that article. They have successfully reduced health care costs internally: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124476804026308603.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124476804026308603.html One point made in this article is that most health care costs are in fact preventative. "Safeway's plan capitalizes on two key insights gained in 2005. The first is that 70% of all health-care costs are the direct result of behavior. The second insight, which is well understood by the providers of health care, is that 74% of all costs are confined to four chronic conditions (cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes and obesity). Furthermore, 80% of cardiovascular disease and diabetes is preventable, 60% of cancers are preventable, and more than 90% of obesity is preventable." Given this statement, the money spent preventing these issues will be far less than the amount required to correct these issues in people once they get to the point of needing some type of hospital procedure or operation.
- anamax 17y ago
  You're assuming that you spend prevention costs perfectly when you can't. The money that you spend on someone to prevent/reduce a problem is completely wasted if that is not suseptable or is struck by something else. (Also, the cost to deal with obesity and diabetes together is less than the sum of dealing with obesity and diabetes separately.) It's also wasted if the person gets the problem anyway. And, you're still ignoring the benefits of early death.