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The "Scroll down" hint wasn't obvious enough for me. I'd also show both screens as soon as you land on the page, as that is the unique feature of this phone and

The "Scroll down" hint wasn't obvious enough for me. I'd also show both screens as soon as you land on the page, as that is the unique feature of this phone and it took me quite some time before I actually found it. (If you don't scroll but just click on the links you just see 1 screen at a time. If you aren't really paying attention you don't notice that there are 2 different ones)

jstsch 13y ago
I had no idea what everyone was talking about - on iPad you get some sort of mobile version.
Trufa 13y ago
It drives me nuts this new fashion of braking the scrolling, it's completely uncalibrated on chrome, I scrolled down the equivalent of a freaking book to get to the end.
- archgrove 13y ago
  Doesn't work at all with 2-finger scrolling on Safari for Mac.
  - jonknee 13y ago
    Or Chrome. I had no idea it could scroll at all and closed the tab before seeing these comments. Update: even weirder, it does scroll somewhat, but gets stuck and won't respond to two-finger scrolling. All in all a terrible idea for navigation.
    - hoers 13y ago
      Why not just use the links on the left? Misses some animation but still gives you all the info.
      - jonknee 13y ago
        For starters, the links on the left never show that there are two screens (even with scrolling that is harder to see than in should be). Why not just make a site that works?
- B3M1938 13y ago
  Why not just click the mouse wheel and drag the mouse down?
  - mirzmaster 13y ago
    Laptop users don't have a mouse wheel. Others may not have a mouse wheel on their mouse.
- romaniv 13y ago
  Even if it was perfectly calibrated, it's still wrong thing to do. Scrolling is for scrolling. As in, position. On the page. People shouldn't use it for flipping between slides or animation states for the same reasons they shouldn't use links for buttons, buttons for links, or implement fake radio buttons using checkboxes. This would be less of a problem if browsers/HTML had something built-in to manage pagination and page states. But hey, we got WebGL and sound APIs instead. Clearly, pagination (which is implemented in pretty much every single website on the web) is less important than rendering 3d objects.
phaker 13y ago
There's a hint? I still can't find it. No, I'm not trolling. No indication that scrolling does anything, there's even a footer at the bottom of the page. Then _when_ i scroll nothing happens for a while until i scroll far enough.
- BrechtVds 13y ago
  There is one in the top right corner (underneath the language part) for me. Although it does seem to disappear whenever you start scrolling.
kenkam 13y ago
Didn't know I had to scroll down till I read this comment. Maybe a stronger call to action to scroll would be nice.
- davidw 13y ago
  If you have to "yell" at people to do something like that, it means your UI is broken.
  - calinet6 13y ago
    It should just start moving automatically. And it shouldn't be linked to scrolling, because what they're doing is not scrolling. What they want is an animation, with a nice timeline control or video-like scrubber. That goes for everyone who wrongly commandeers scrolling in the name of this new animated storyline fad.
- mradmin 13y ago
  Weird, I get a scrollbar showing I can clearly scroll. Are you an OSX by any chance?
  - devcpp 13y ago
    I got a scrollbar too but the page is neatly arranged to fit the browser's window so I didn't pay attention to it. It's the first time I've seen a footer from the top of a scrollpage.
  - benjamincburns 13y ago
    I am. Using a rMBP. No scrollbar on latest Chrome, and worse yet, two-finger scroll is broken. I have to attempt to two-finger scroll, mouse over the scrollbar quickly before it disappears (this took two tries because it goes away that quickly) and then click/drag to scroll (which I'm embarrassed to say is amazingly cumbersome now that I'm trained for the multitouch gestures).
  - kenkam 13y ago
    I'm on Windows at work and the scroll bar was visible (when I went there the 2nd time) but either I didn't notice it or I ignored it. In any case I think the content itself just didn't look like it required scrolling. Instead I clicked on the features on the left.
InTheSwiss 13y ago
Yeah I only gave the page a quick glance and didn't notice it had two screens until I checked the specs page! Fail from a design point of view IMHO.
haversine 13y ago
It's interesting how often people talk about looking for the scrolling hint. Until (sort-of-)recently, the presence of the _scroll bar_ was the hint, and it worked well for the multiple decades it had been in use. I had mostly gotten used to the new super scrolly pages, but this site breaks it by looking like a one-screen site with a footer and sidebar.
- rkangel 13y ago
  I'd disagree - the hint was normally that content was disappearing off the bottom of the screen. I had entirely missed that you were meant to scroll. And even when I found out it was irritating - I'm on a desktop with a mouse with a scrollwheel, and the distance I had to scroll was enormous.
  - Semaphor 13y ago
    > the hint was normally that content was disappearing off the bottom of the screen. Which is another reason all those great looking but horrible to use single page sites that make it look like what you land on is all there is are an atrocity.
- jonknee 13y ago
  At least on OS X there aren't scrollbars visible until you need them (start scrolling). There is that small hint on the top right, but if the page is scrolled any amount--even an amount that doesn't move the page at all--the hint goes away and there are no visible scrollbars. It's a terrible UX.
freehunter 13y ago
Yeah, I was calling bullshit several times when the text was going on and on about the e-ink screen right next to a picture of a beautiful, vibrant, full-color display. I was clicking each section rather than scrolling, so I never saw the back until I clicked "tech specs".
- ansible 13y ago
  Yes, that is exactly what happened with me. I was thinking they had somehow make a fast color e-ink display, but the main screen looked like a regular LCD. Then I finally concluded that they were putting the e-ink on the back (which makes a heck of a lot more sense) and was able to confirm it by looking at the tech specs. Then I come to HN, and see I should have been scrolling down all along. So, yeah, I'm officially done with fancy scroll effects.
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calinet6 13y ago
I had no clue it scrolled. Bad UI.

jstsch 13y ago

I had no idea what everyone was talking about - on iPad you get some sort of mobile version.

Trufa 13y ago

It drives me nuts this new fashion of braking the scrolling, it's completely uncalibrated on chrome, I scrolled down the equivalent of a freaking book to get to the end.

archgrove 13y ago
Doesn't work at all with 2-finger scrolling on Safari for Mac.
- jonknee 13y ago
  Or Chrome. I had no idea it could scroll at all and closed the tab before seeing these comments. Update: even weirder, it does scroll somewhat, but gets stuck and won't respond to two-finger scrolling. All in all a terrible idea for navigation.
  - hoers 13y ago
    Why not just use the links on the left? Misses some animation but still gives you all the info.
    - jonknee 13y ago
      For starters, the links on the left never show that there are two screens (even with scrolling that is harder to see than in should be). Why not just make a site that works?
B3M1938 13y ago
Why not just click the mouse wheel and drag the mouse down?
- mirzmaster 13y ago
  Laptop users don't have a mouse wheel. Others may not have a mouse wheel on their mouse.
romaniv 13y ago
Even if it was perfectly calibrated, it's still wrong thing to do. Scrolling is for scrolling. As in, position. On the page. People shouldn't use it for flipping between slides or animation states for the same reasons they shouldn't use links for buttons, buttons for links, or implement fake radio buttons using checkboxes. This would be less of a problem if browsers/HTML had something built-in to manage pagination and page states. But hey, we got WebGL and sound APIs instead. Clearly, pagination (which is implemented in pretty much every single website on the web) is less important than rendering 3d objects.

phaker 13y ago

There's a hint? I still can't find it. No, I'm not trolling. No indication that scrolling does anything, there's even a footer at the bottom of the page. Then _when_ i scroll nothing happens for a while until i scroll far enough.

BrechtVds 13y ago
There is one in the top right corner (underneath the language part) for me. Although it does seem to disappear whenever you start scrolling.

kenkam 13y ago

Didn't know I had to scroll down till I read this comment. Maybe a stronger call to action to scroll would be nice.

davidw 13y ago
If you have to "yell" at people to do something like that, it means your UI is broken.
- calinet6 13y ago
  It should just start moving automatically. And it shouldn't be linked to scrolling, because what they're doing is not scrolling. What they want is an animation, with a nice timeline control or video-like scrubber. That goes for everyone who wrongly commandeers scrolling in the name of this new animated storyline fad.
mradmin 13y ago
Weird, I get a scrollbar showing I can clearly scroll. Are you an OSX by any chance?
- devcpp 13y ago
  I got a scrollbar too but the page is neatly arranged to fit the browser's window so I didn't pay attention to it. It's the first time I've seen a footer from the top of a scrollpage.
- benjamincburns 13y ago
  I am. Using a rMBP. No scrollbar on latest Chrome, and worse yet, two-finger scroll is broken. I have to attempt to two-finger scroll, mouse over the scrollbar quickly before it disappears (this took two tries because it goes away that quickly) and then click/drag to scroll (which I'm embarrassed to say is amazingly cumbersome now that I'm trained for the multitouch gestures).
- kenkam 13y ago
  I'm on Windows at work and the scroll bar was visible (when I went there the 2nd time) but either I didn't notice it or I ignored it. In any case I think the content itself just didn't look like it required scrolling. Instead I clicked on the features on the left.

InTheSwiss 13y ago

Yeah I only gave the page a quick glance and didn't notice it had two screens until I checked the specs page! Fail from a design point of view IMHO.

haversine 13y ago

It's interesting how often people talk about looking for the scrolling hint. Until (sort-of-)recently, the presence of the _scroll bar_ was the hint, and it worked well for the multiple decades it had been in use. I had mostly gotten used to the new super scrolly pages, but this site breaks it by looking like a one-screen site with a footer and sidebar.

rkangel 13y ago
I'd disagree - the hint was normally that content was disappearing off the bottom of the screen. I had entirely missed that you were meant to scroll. And even when I found out it was irritating - I'm on a desktop with a mouse with a scrollwheel, and the distance I had to scroll was enormous.
- Semaphor 13y ago
  > the hint was normally that content was disappearing off the bottom of the screen. Which is another reason all those great looking but horrible to use single page sites that make it look like what you land on is all there is are an atrocity.
jonknee 13y ago
At least on OS X there aren't scrollbars visible until you need them (start scrolling). There is that small hint on the top right, but if the page is scrolled any amount--even an amount that doesn't move the page at all--the hint goes away and there are no visible scrollbars. It's a terrible UX.

freehunter 13y ago

Yeah, I was calling bullshit several times when the text was going on and on about the e-ink screen right next to a picture of a beautiful, vibrant, full-color display. I was clicking each section rather than scrolling, so I never saw the back until I clicked "tech specs".

ansible 13y ago
Yes, that is exactly what happened with me. I was thinking they had somehow make a fast color e-ink display, but the main screen looked like a regular LCD. Then I finally concluded that they were putting the e-ink on the back (which makes a heck of a lot more sense) and was able to confirm it by looking at the tech specs. Then I come to HN, and see I should have been scrolling down all along. So, yeah, I'm officially done with fancy scroll effects.

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calinet6 13y ago

I had no clue it scrolled. Bad UI.