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In many ways, and definitely in more ways than one, India is a fantastic resource, with their talent and tremendous headcount. India is definitely not a "pirate

In many ways, and definitely in more ways than one, India is a fantastic resource, with their talent and tremendous headcount. India is definitely not a "pirate" state. I believe to have read that the Indian Navy is even involved in protecting merchant shipping lanes off the Somalia coast. The only qualms I have, is with the licence Raj, the paperwork kingdom, that ruins business opportunities all across India ...

monsterix 13y ago
> Indian Navy is even involved in protecting merchant shipping lanes off the Somalia coast. Yes, it is true that Indian Navy/Coast Guard protects and also helpfully escorts maritime around that area [1]. It also protects the original untouched Sentinalese[2] tribes off the Andaman & Nicobar islands on the other side. Historically, our country has NEVER gone and attacked anyone in the past 3000 years. Sometimes because of our own resilience and other times because of our stupid prime minister. [1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7736885.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7736885.stm [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island > licence Raj, the paperwork kingdom, that ruins business opportunities all across India. You're bang on this one. It's those 50-60 odd corrupt assholes on the top which make life hell for the rest of the population. Pretty similar to how things are here in the US, albeit the corruption part(?). Only magnified.
- aadvaark 13y ago
  Invasions / raids have occurred in the past http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_Navy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_Navy
- kamaal 13y ago
  >>Pretty similar to how things are here in the US Would like to know more about this. Are there same kind of bureaucratic hassles in US too? I thought in some states like Delaware the taxes are too low and therefore makes sense to start up there. I've also heard similar things about Singapore. I've never traveled outside India, and would love to know more about things in the US.
  - saryant 13y ago
    Companies are incorporated in Delaware because its corporate law and legal precedent are so well defined (and business friendly). Taxes aren't the sole concern, predictability is just as important.
  - davidw 13y ago
    > Would like to know more about this. Are there same kind of bureaucratic hassles in US too? There is certainly bureaucracy in the US, but it would appear that it's worse in India: http://doingbusiness.org/rankings http://doingbusiness.org/rankings
- steve19 13y ago
  Maybe it's a joke I do not understand, but your country has been a battleground for years, kingdoms attacking other kingdoms for 1000s of year and more recently every so often Indian troops fire accross the line of control killing Pakistan soldiers (sure, Pakistan does it at least as much if not more).
  - praveer13 13y ago
    > kingdoms attacking other kingdoms for 1000s of year During that period in the history, the whole world was going through the same. >more recently every so often Indian troops fire accross the line of control killing Pakistan soldiers Pakistani army does it more often.
    - wrongc0ntinent 13y ago
      He didn't exclude the rest of the world. Also, he acknowledged the Pakistani side.
      - praveer13 13y ago
        ohh, sorry, I missed the original comment which claimed the 3000 years thing. In that yes, yes, it's a ridiculous claim as India didn't exist before 1947. >Also, he acknowledged the Pakistani side. He said that India does it as much as Pakistan, which is false, and can be found by a simple google research. Pakistan is more guilty of violating ceasefires and attacking. relevant links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_India%E2%80%93Pakistan_border_skirmishes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_India%E2%80%93Pakistan_bor... http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2013/01/india-and-pakistan http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2013/01/india-and-paki...
  - swatkat 13y ago
    >>>> Maybe it's a joke I do not understand, but your country has been a battleground for years, kingdoms attacking other kingdoms for 1000s of year If you're referring to historical ages, then this pretty much applies to all other continents including Asia, Europe, America etc. Wasn't it pretty common for kingdoms to wage wars against each other? >>>> and more recently every so often Indian troops fire accross the line of control killing Pakistan soldiers (sure, Pakistan does it at least as much if not more) It doesn't take much to Google to get your facts right. It's actually Pakistan that often violates cease-fire.
- gman99 13y ago
  >>our country has NEVER gone and attacked anyone in the past 3000 years. Well, our country didn't exist pre-1947, but we're arguing semantics now. Still, it's kindof bonkers to define the border of a fairly young "nation" over a period of 3000years. If you do that, then you need to consider the Mughal campaigns in Central Asia as they attacked Samarkhamd (Persia) as well as Kandahar (also persian held at the time). Or do you not consider them Indian? OK then, consider that the Chola empire conquered sections of South East Asia. But perhaps you dismiss these conquests as exaggerations? (note that there is overwhelming evidence that atleast ports were raided even if there was no lasting presence -- it's still an "attack") But if we are going to be pedantic, even post-Independence India declared war on Portugal and is considered the aggressor state when it "invaded" Goa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Goa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Goa
  - monsterix 13y ago
    Mmm, you're right w.r.t Goa and extricating out Bangladesh off Pakistan's. But there is much more prior to these controlled aggressions - for example "suspension of civil liberties" for those who lived under Portugese administration (see wikipedia). Let's also not forget that Goa was a colony of Portugal but originally it was a part of our land. Similarly sandwiching between Pakistan on left and Pakistan II on right wasn't a great experience either. To get pedantic on this subject, even the Mughals aren't originally from India. Mughal campaigns in Central Asia was also about plundering and ruling India, it's not the other way round. In fact original Indians are not even Aryans (I am an Aryan) of European descendence for that matter. So my estimate of 3000 years stands corrected, it goes way further back than that. Sentinals, for example in my prior comment, are aboriginal of the Indian peninsula. The other term used to represent aboriginal Hindus is the Dravidians. This land has chosen entropy over order, I can assure you.
- sateesh 13y ago
  It is specious to say that India has not invaded anyone in past 3000 years are so. The idea of India as a country is a fairly recent one. May be with some liberty we can consider 1857, year of Sepoy Mutiny as the starting point for idea of India as a single country. Prior to that the vast territory was divided among kingdoms battling against each other (Cholas against Chalukyas, Vijayanagar Empire against Bahamni Kingdom, Tippu against Marathas and so on).
  - cscurmudgeon 13y ago
    The idea of India is not new. The idea that a country has to be politically united as a single country is new. If you read any significant Indian literature, you will notice there is a feeling of unity.
- prakashk 13y ago
  > It's those 50-60 odd corrupt assholes on the top ... Are you saying that corruption exists only among this limited group of individuals?
- polar 13y ago
  > Historically, our country has NEVER gone and attacked anyone in the past 3000 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rajendra_map_new.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rajendra_map_new.png
sandGorgon 13y ago
India is going to be (if not already) one of the largest consumers of Linux and other open source software. I find it sad that most OSS conferences are held in Europe or USA, where you will find everyone toting Macbooks. Do note that I dont begrudge this and I do understand that it is the birthplace of most software. However, I do wish that the chief developers reach out to the Indian community and help establish a vibrant ecosystem before we achieve Apple affordability.
- kamaal 13y ago
  India is easily one of the largest consumers of Linux. But consumer has a different meaning than contributor. >>I find it sad that most OSS conferences are held in Europe or USA Bangalore has its own version. Its called FOSS.in, there is also a Pycon. We also have regular conferences, meetups and hack nights. Checkout this Bangalore based company called HasGeek(https://hasgeek.com/ https://hasgeek.com/) The ecosystem is no where as mature as silicon valley, there is no where the kind of VC ecosystem like silicon valley. And YC like initiatives are non-existent. And yet despite all this, nearly every one good I know has a namesake large company job while they are starting up on the side. There is massive start up interest and we are well past the days where people used to aspire for large company jobs. Though Ivy league degrees, and strong alumni connection gets you fat pay checks at big companies. People are beginning to match that with their own start ups. Long way to go for us. But the opportunities are immense.
  - sandGorgon 13y ago
    I am a frequent attendee at Hasgeek. However what I asked for was not about interesting conference but about decision making. For example I wish that the top level decision making conferences (like UDS,etc) happen in India which is on track for being their largest consumers. This can only happen through the current decision making body.
    - jace 13y ago
      I can assure you that is our concern too at HasGeek. It won't happen overnight but we will get there.

monsterix 13y ago

> Indian Navy is even involved in protecting merchant shipping lanes off the Somalia coast. Yes, it is true that Indian Navy/Coast Guard protects and also helpfully escorts maritime around that area [1]. It also protects the original untouched Sentinalese[2] tribes off the Andaman & Nicobar islands on the other side. Historically, our country has NEVER gone and attacked anyone in the past 3000 years. Sometimes because of our own resilience and other times because of our stupid prime minister. [1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7736885.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7736885.stm [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island > licence Raj, the paperwork kingdom, that ruins business opportunities all across India. You're bang on this one. It's those 50-60 odd corrupt assholes on the top which make life hell for the rest of the population. Pretty similar to how things are here in the US, albeit the corruption part(?). Only magnified.

aadvaark 13y ago
Invasions / raids have occurred in the past http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_Navy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_Navy
kamaal 13y ago
>>Pretty similar to how things are here in the US Would like to know more about this. Are there same kind of bureaucratic hassles in US too? I thought in some states like Delaware the taxes are too low and therefore makes sense to start up there. I've also heard similar things about Singapore. I've never traveled outside India, and would love to know more about things in the US.
- saryant 13y ago
  Companies are incorporated in Delaware because its corporate law and legal precedent are so well defined (and business friendly). Taxes aren't the sole concern, predictability is just as important.
- davidw 13y ago
  > Would like to know more about this. Are there same kind of bureaucratic hassles in US too? There is certainly bureaucracy in the US, but it would appear that it's worse in India: http://doingbusiness.org/rankings http://doingbusiness.org/rankings
steve19 13y ago
Maybe it's a joke I do not understand, but your country has been a battleground for years, kingdoms attacking other kingdoms for 1000s of year and more recently every so often Indian troops fire accross the line of control killing Pakistan soldiers (sure, Pakistan does it at least as much if not more).
- praveer13 13y ago
  > kingdoms attacking other kingdoms for 1000s of year During that period in the history, the whole world was going through the same. >more recently every so often Indian troops fire accross the line of control killing Pakistan soldiers Pakistani army does it more often.
  - wrongc0ntinent 13y ago
    He didn't exclude the rest of the world. Also, he acknowledged the Pakistani side.
    - praveer13 13y ago
      ohh, sorry, I missed the original comment which claimed the 3000 years thing. In that yes, yes, it's a ridiculous claim as India didn't exist before 1947. >Also, he acknowledged the Pakistani side. He said that India does it as much as Pakistan, which is false, and can be found by a simple google research. Pakistan is more guilty of violating ceasefires and attacking. relevant links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_India%E2%80%93Pakistan_border_skirmishes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_India%E2%80%93Pakistan_bor... http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2013/01/india-and-pakistan http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2013/01/india-and-paki...
- swatkat 13y ago
  >>>> Maybe it's a joke I do not understand, but your country has been a battleground for years, kingdoms attacking other kingdoms for 1000s of year If you're referring to historical ages, then this pretty much applies to all other continents including Asia, Europe, America etc. Wasn't it pretty common for kingdoms to wage wars against each other? >>>> and more recently every so often Indian troops fire accross the line of control killing Pakistan soldiers (sure, Pakistan does it at least as much if not more) It doesn't take much to Google to get your facts right. It's actually Pakistan that often violates cease-fire.
gman99 13y ago
>>our country has NEVER gone and attacked anyone in the past 3000 years. Well, our country didn't exist pre-1947, but we're arguing semantics now. Still, it's kindof bonkers to define the border of a fairly young "nation" over a period of 3000years. If you do that, then you need to consider the Mughal campaigns in Central Asia as they attacked Samarkhamd (Persia) as well as Kandahar (also persian held at the time). Or do you not consider them Indian? OK then, consider that the Chola empire conquered sections of South East Asia. But perhaps you dismiss these conquests as exaggerations? (note that there is overwhelming evidence that atleast ports were raided even if there was no lasting presence -- it's still an "attack") But if we are going to be pedantic, even post-Independence India declared war on Portugal and is considered the aggressor state when it "invaded" Goa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Goa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Goa
- monsterix 13y ago
  Mmm, you're right w.r.t Goa and extricating out Bangladesh off Pakistan's. But there is much more prior to these controlled aggressions - for example "suspension of civil liberties" for those who lived under Portugese administration (see wikipedia). Let's also not forget that Goa was a colony of Portugal but originally it was a part of our land. Similarly sandwiching between Pakistan on left and Pakistan II on right wasn't a great experience either. To get pedantic on this subject, even the Mughals aren't originally from India. Mughal campaigns in Central Asia was also about plundering and ruling India, it's not the other way round. In fact original Indians are not even Aryans (I am an Aryan) of European descendence for that matter. So my estimate of 3000 years stands corrected, it goes way further back than that. Sentinals, for example in my prior comment, are aboriginal of the Indian peninsula. The other term used to represent aboriginal Hindus is the Dravidians. This land has chosen entropy over order, I can assure you.
sateesh 13y ago
It is specious to say that India has not invaded anyone in past 3000 years are so. The idea of India as a country is a fairly recent one. May be with some liberty we can consider 1857, year of Sepoy Mutiny as the starting point for idea of India as a single country. Prior to that the vast territory was divided among kingdoms battling against each other (Cholas against Chalukyas, Vijayanagar Empire against Bahamni Kingdom, Tippu against Marathas and so on).
- cscurmudgeon 13y ago
  The idea of India is not new. The idea that a country has to be politically united as a single country is new. If you read any significant Indian literature, you will notice there is a feeling of unity.
prakashk 13y ago
> It's those 50-60 odd corrupt assholes on the top ... Are you saying that corruption exists only among this limited group of individuals?
polar 13y ago
> Historically, our country has NEVER gone and attacked anyone in the past 3000 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rajendra_map_new.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rajendra_map_new.png

sandGorgon 13y ago

India is going to be (if not already) one of the largest consumers of Linux and other open source software. I find it sad that most OSS conferences are held in Europe or USA, where you will find everyone toting Macbooks. Do note that I dont begrudge this and I do understand that it is the birthplace of most software. However, I do wish that the chief developers reach out to the Indian community and help establish a vibrant ecosystem before we achieve Apple affordability.

kamaal 13y ago
India is easily one of the largest consumers of Linux. But consumer has a different meaning than contributor. >>I find it sad that most OSS conferences are held in Europe or USA Bangalore has its own version. Its called FOSS.in, there is also a Pycon. We also have regular conferences, meetups and hack nights. Checkout this Bangalore based company called HasGeek(https://hasgeek.com/ https://hasgeek.com/) The ecosystem is no where as mature as silicon valley, there is no where the kind of VC ecosystem like silicon valley. And YC like initiatives are non-existent. And yet despite all this, nearly every one good I know has a namesake large company job while they are starting up on the side. There is massive start up interest and we are well past the days where people used to aspire for large company jobs. Though Ivy league degrees, and strong alumni connection gets you fat pay checks at big companies. People are beginning to match that with their own start ups. Long way to go for us. But the opportunities are immense.
- sandGorgon 13y ago
  I am a frequent attendee at Hasgeek. However what I asked for was not about interesting conference but about decision making. For example I wish that the top level decision making conferences (like UDS,etc) happen in India which is on track for being their largest consumers. This can only happen through the current decision making body.
  - jace 13y ago
    I can assure you that is our concern too at HasGeek. It won't happen overnight but we will get there.