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Have you tried plateforms like oDesk?

kirillzubovsky 13y ago
If he is serious about actually working and making a living, oDesk is not the right place to work. I wrote about it a few days ago - https://medium.com/startup-shenanigans/66896bbf21da https://medium.com/startup-shenanigans/66896bbf21da - cheap labor and sup-par clients, yeah, oDesk is definitely not the place.
- jnbiche 13y ago
  Not to mention that a good portion (I'd say about 20-30%) are asking for blatantly illegal or unethical activities (e.g., scraping proprietary data, building spyware, etc.)
  - chc 13y ago
    My experience: I signed up there out of curiosity a few years ago and I believe within a day received a request to build a tool for comment spamming.
- podviaznikov 13y ago
  I would disagree here. You actually can find well paid mid-term and long-term contracts on oDesk. Classification obviously depends on your expenses but I would say it's quite possible to get more money on oDesk than in most IT companies in EU.
  - kirillzubovsky 13y ago
    Well, you could get money by working a lot and doing cheap crappy jobs, that doesn't make it a good job. Besides, I've heard stories for clients being scammed out of their money on oDesk and developers losing reputation because of jerky clients. I bet there are outliers, but overall, it's sup-par, imho.
    - podviaznikov 13y ago
      Yeah, but I would say it's everywhere like that. You have good developers and bad developers, you have interesting projects and bad projects, you have good customers and bad customers. You can find YC companies on oDesk, you can find cool startups there. IMHO it's not difficult to filter good projects.
- wrboyce 13y ago
  It is probably worth noting that this guy is probably somewhat biased due to being the founder of (as far as I can tell) a similar hire-people-from-me-I'm-not-quite-a-recruitment-agent type website.
  - kirillzubovsky 13y ago
    Good point! I gotta admit, I am totally biased :) However, I'd like to point out that we are not at all a recruitment agency, but rather a community of awesome freelancers. We do curate the talent to make sure you only get the best, but we are certainly not recruiters. The goal is to allow any great freelancer to setup their own shop online without much upfront work. We support them by building tool that ensure security, timely payment, accurate project management and so forth. :)
- paulhauggis 13y ago
  I agree. I looked for some consulting work last year on Odesk and I saw many listings where the average wage was $1-$4/hour.
- zacinbusiness 13y ago
  In my opinion the only way to use Odesk (or any other similar site) is to have a trusted client in mind that will post jobs there for you. That makes it easier to get paid internationally and was an option for me when I took my current position. I declined, however, as I like to keep things simple and so I don't want to add an additional step between me and my money ;-)

If he is serious about actually working and making a living, oDesk is not the right place to work. I wrote about it a few days ago - https://medium.com/startup-shenanigans/66896bbf21da https://medium.com/startup-shenanigans/66896bbf21da - cheap labor and sup-par clients, yeah, oDesk is definitely not the place.

jnbiche 13y ago
Not to mention that a good portion (I'd say about 20-30%) are asking for blatantly illegal or unethical activities (e.g., scraping proprietary data, building spyware, etc.)
- chc 13y ago
  My experience: I signed up there out of curiosity a few years ago and I believe within a day received a request to build a tool for comment spamming.
podviaznikov 13y ago
I would disagree here. You actually can find well paid mid-term and long-term contracts on oDesk. Classification obviously depends on your expenses but I would say it's quite possible to get more money on oDesk than in most IT companies in EU.
- kirillzubovsky 13y ago
  Well, you could get money by working a lot and doing cheap crappy jobs, that doesn't make it a good job. Besides, I've heard stories for clients being scammed out of their money on oDesk and developers losing reputation because of jerky clients. I bet there are outliers, but overall, it's sup-par, imho.
  - podviaznikov 13y ago
    Yeah, but I would say it's everywhere like that. You have good developers and bad developers, you have interesting projects and bad projects, you have good customers and bad customers. You can find YC companies on oDesk, you can find cool startups there. IMHO it's not difficult to filter good projects.
wrboyce 13y ago
It is probably worth noting that this guy is probably somewhat biased due to being the founder of (as far as I can tell) a similar hire-people-from-me-I'm-not-quite-a-recruitment-agent type website.
- kirillzubovsky 13y ago
  Good point! I gotta admit, I am totally biased :) However, I'd like to point out that we are not at all a recruitment agency, but rather a community of awesome freelancers. We do curate the talent to make sure you only get the best, but we are certainly not recruiters. The goal is to allow any great freelancer to setup their own shop online without much upfront work. We support them by building tool that ensure security, timely payment, accurate project management and so forth. :)
paulhauggis 13y ago
I agree. I looked for some consulting work last year on Odesk and I saw many listings where the average wage was $1-$4/hour.
zacinbusiness 13y ago
In my opinion the only way to use Odesk (or any other similar site) is to have a trusted client in mind that will post jobs there for you. That makes it easier to get paid internationally and was an option for me when I took my current position. I declined, however, as I like to keep things simple and so I don't want to add an additional step between me and my money ;-)