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I missed it the first time through, although I'm not surprised as in the article his previous automobile engineering experience seems downplayed. Equating his

by c2 13y ago

I missed it the first time through, although I'm not surprised as in the article his previous automobile engineering experience seems downplayed. Equating his segway experience to all of transportation seems a stretch. According to his linked in profile he was a development engineer at Ford for 6 years and hasn't worked in the car industry for 20 years. Certainly he does not seem to possess any executive experience in the car industry or related to car development. As a TSLA investor, it makes more sense to me to have someone in that role who actually has experience getting cars to market (ie. someone like Bob Lutz).

abat 13y ago
By the same logic, Apple shouldn't have hired him and Elon Musk should not have started Tesla.
- c2 13y ago
  I would say his industrial design experience at Segway (and Deka) was more relevant to Apple. Let's not forget history here. Musk had a very hard time releasing the Roadster, and it was one of the most painfully delayed automotive launches in history. They were close to running out of money numerous times in the launch, and needed key loans and cash at key times (including a huge cash infusion from Musk himself) otherwise they would have failed. At least some of that based on the public information at the time can be attributed to Musk's inexperience in the car world. They made it, but it wasn't without a lot of luck. I worry about decisions like this because if there's one thing Tesla really needs to execute on, it's getting new car models out the door in a very timely fashion. Another example - Nardelli was also a brilliant leader at Home Depot, but he couldn't do enough to save Chrysler. The car industry is a very different beast then building wheel chairs and segways. Personally I would prefer someone in the new car development driver's seat with a bit more experience. Putting someone without that experience is such a leadership role seems like a reckless move by Tesla. This is all just my opinion. I'd be happy to discuss further and share opinions.
  - ISL 13y ago
    Numerous models may not be needed. Quality affordable cars will sell themselves. Apple didn't need a range of iPhones. They needed one excellent one, produced at scale.
- foobarqux 13y ago
  Musk didn't start Tesla.
  - maxharris 13y ago
    Please don't start on that, because it's very misleading. Everyone involved settled that dispute years ago (2009): http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10357665-54.html?tag=mncol http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10357665-54.html?tag=mncol Others had crucial roles as well, but without Musk providing the funding and management, Tesla would have just been another dead electric car company.
    - foobarqux 13y ago
      No, saying he is a founder is misleading. He played a critical role in Tesla and it surely would have failed if he were not involved but his initial involvement was as an investor in an existing enterprise. There was a settlement that allows Musk to call himself "founder" in exchange for, I presume, some compensation. There was no legal ruling on facts only a private agreement between parties.
  - yardie 13y ago
    By that logic, Steve Jobs didn't start Pixar.
    - foobarqux 13y ago
      Yes, "that logic" being just plain old "logic". Jobs didn't start Pixar he invested in a spin-out of a division of an existing company. From wikipedia "the group, which numbered 40 individuals back then,[1] was spun out as a corporation in February 1986 with investment by Steve Jobs shortly after he left Apple Computer.[1]"

by c2 13y ago

abat 13y ago

By the same logic, Apple shouldn't have hired him and Elon Musk should not have started Tesla.

c2 13y ago
I would say his industrial design experience at Segway (and Deka) was more relevant to Apple. Let's not forget history here. Musk had a very hard time releasing the Roadster, and it was one of the most painfully delayed automotive launches in history. They were close to running out of money numerous times in the launch, and needed key loans and cash at key times (including a huge cash infusion from Musk himself) otherwise they would have failed. At least some of that based on the public information at the time can be attributed to Musk's inexperience in the car world. They made it, but it wasn't without a lot of luck. I worry about decisions like this because if there's one thing Tesla really needs to execute on, it's getting new car models out the door in a very timely fashion. Another example - Nardelli was also a brilliant leader at Home Depot, but he couldn't do enough to save Chrysler. The car industry is a very different beast then building wheel chairs and segways. Personally I would prefer someone in the new car development driver's seat with a bit more experience. Putting someone without that experience is such a leadership role seems like a reckless move by Tesla. This is all just my opinion. I'd be happy to discuss further and share opinions.
- ISL 13y ago
  Numerous models may not be needed. Quality affordable cars will sell themselves. Apple didn't need a range of iPhones. They needed one excellent one, produced at scale.
foobarqux 13y ago
Musk didn't start Tesla.
- maxharris 13y ago
  Please don't start on that, because it's very misleading. Everyone involved settled that dispute years ago (2009): http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10357665-54.html?tag=mncol http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10357665-54.html?tag=mncol Others had crucial roles as well, but without Musk providing the funding and management, Tesla would have just been another dead electric car company.
  - foobarqux 13y ago
    No, saying he is a founder is misleading. He played a critical role in Tesla and it surely would have failed if he were not involved but his initial involvement was as an investor in an existing enterprise. There was a settlement that allows Musk to call himself "founder" in exchange for, I presume, some compensation. There was no legal ruling on facts only a private agreement between parties.
- yardie 13y ago
  By that logic, Steve Jobs didn't start Pixar.
  - foobarqux 13y ago
    Yes, "that logic" being just plain old "logic". Jobs didn't start Pixar he invested in a spin-out of a division of an existing company. From wikipedia "the group, which numbered 40 individuals back then,[1] was spun out as a corporation in February 1986 with investment by Steve Jobs shortly after he left Apple Computer.[1]"