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How to Build Willpower for the Weak

140 points by mofeeta 13y ago

TheBiv 13y ago
I don't know how to define "willpower" so I found the initial thesis of his article off-putting. However, Mr. Adams then appears to go into how he manages broad terms that are vague (like willpower) by structuring that term around concrete things like the dopamine rush he gets by being alone with his thoughts and treats the "willpower" to work out as a package deal that includes a vague term with a specific event. Pretty cool little experience article that appears to give a little indication of how he manages things he thinks he should do, with things he knows he will do anyways to bundle up the positive reinforcement.
- jotm 13y ago
  The "dopamine rush" is actually an endorphin rush - they make you feel good, the dopamine is just released along with the endorphins to facilitate habit formation (basically programming you to do that thing again in the future since it makes you feel good). I think it's a distinction worth noting...
Xcelerate 13y ago
Fine, my comment was apparently irritating some people. I deleted it. It's unfortunate I can't discuss something that's been bothering me with the HN crowd.
- skarayan 13y ago
  Just continue teaching people, like you are doing now.
  - Xcelerate 13y ago
    No, that's not the point at all. If it reads as condescending, you didn't pick up on the last few sentences well enough. I've done plenty of stuff that I regret, some of it worse than what I'm sure the average person has done.
    - skarayan 13y ago
      Actually, I was trying to be sincere -- our actions have consequences on other people and the world at large. The flip side is that we become observers when we don't take any action in fear of affecting the world. Other times, we may think that there may be a certain consequence, but the actual outcome ends up being considerably different. Reference experience becomes important at some point -- it ensures that we take action, make mistakes, set boundaries, and live in the world. You come off intelligent and thoughtful. I'm not sure where you are located but I'd love to connect with you. I'm Sarkis -- skarayan@gmail.com
    - 011011100 13y ago
      "If I sound condescending, it's because you just didn't understand what I was trying to say" wow.
- PakG1 13y ago
  This is not a completely unique situation, but it can feel very unique. I suppose it's like being gay or something, in that, until you realize there are others like you, you feel like there is nobody like you. For me, I have similar difficulty with observing relationships, whether love, marriage, business, or other. I see people getting into relationships and thinking, "What the heck are they thinking, can't they see what's going to happen a mile away?" But when someone gets hitched in one of these relationships, whether dating, marriage, or business, how can you say anything other than congratulations without everyone labeling you a total jerk? And because I go overboard thinking of all those things from a mile away, I usually take very few risks in relationships at all (again, all encompassing including love and business). http://xkcd.com/439/ http://xkcd.com/439/ Delayed gratification is often cited as an important variable for predicting future success of people. That in turn speaks to level of willpower. I am not saying I am good at it, as I know I am not (though it's quite easy for me to avoid stupid relationship decisions). Having good willpower and good delayed gratification capability is supposed to be good for one's future. Just make sure that you don't let the good quality of willpower enable you to rationalize yourself into being gunshy so that you don't do anything at all. I am still learning that. I realize that having willpower to keep your integrity and avoiding risks are two subjects not necessarily related. So sorry if I made the turn go even farther off-road.
- 011011100 13y ago
  Wow, you are so special. Edit: I think you took it down for your own sake, not ours.
  - deleted 13y ago
    [deleted]
  - Xcelerate 13y ago
    You're not the friendliest person around. Do you delight in making me feel bad?
    - 011011100 13y ago
      How am I making you feel bad? By pointing out that you have an inflated self perception? And if you disagree with that, then maybe you should have kept your original post up.
- sliverstorm 13y ago
  This is a difficult discussion to have without examples. I've given up plenty of values from when I was a teenager. It wasn't because of weak willpower, it was because I eventually realized those values were silly. Another thing that comes to mind; "a plan never survives first contact with the enemy". Values/morals like to be black & white, but the world is grey. Edit: I had no problem with your original comment, and as it was still positive I doubt many people had a problem with it at all. I see, what, all of 1-2 mildly negative replies? Don't needlessly play the victim, it is unseemly.
mistercow 13y ago
Something I've yet to see explored is the difference between negative and positive willpower. For example, I find it very difficult to motivate myself to do something I don't want to do, and easy to procrastinate. But it is relatively easy for me to have the willpower not to do something that I do want to do. On the other hand, many people seem to have the opposite problem; they find it relatively easy to do things that are unpleasant, but difficult to restrain themselves from indulging in the things that they enjoy. Of course, you can have a mix of both problems, and it might vary based on what makes the activity unpleasant or pleasant. If something is physically addictive, then someone with strong restraint might find an exception there. And if a task is stressful or painful rather than merely cumbersome or boring, someone with strong proactive willpower might still have difficulty with it. But I think it's worth investigating because it seems plausible that these are entirely different problems conflated by language. And it seems likely that totally different strategies would be needed for managing them.
- Xcelerate 13y ago
  This is an incredibly interesting point that I've never heard anyone mention before.
- return0 13y ago
  When the task requires some effort, it's obvious that it's easier to just not do it, even if desirable. The least effort it requires, the harder it is to deny it (e.g. smoking).
  - mistercow 13y ago
    Maybe, but I'm not sure that always holds up. Playing video games requires effort, but many people find it difficult to refrain from that. This may be confounded somewhat, since in some cases procrastination might be mistaken for lack of restraint. But I don't think that's always the case.
    - mkmkmmmmm 13y ago
      There must be a distinction between deliberate effort and flow effort? One weird thing I note is that reading highly technical articles online is easier to make myself do than reading technical papers (even if the article is roughly as difficult). It's like the same task but the classification causes me to make different decisions.
mikro2nd 13y ago
I wanted to read the article, but I just couldn't make myself do it.
charlieirish 13y ago
Willpower is a fascinating subject. It often boils down to what Dan Ariely calls 'Ego Depletion' whereby you are competing with yourself. Eventually you will lose. If you haven't seen it, it's worth watching the marshmallow experiment. You can see that some young children seem to have an ability to enhance their willpower at even a very early age. Adults who seem to be strong willed often exhibit this behaviour in the form of routines. There's more about the subject with tips on improving your will power here: http://www.startupclarity.com/blog/people-dont/ http://www.startupclarity.com/blog/people-dont/
kamaal 13y ago
I always see the best way to develop will power towards doing something is to try and take the smallest step possible in doing it. I've had tremendous success with it. Can't stay awake till 3 AM in the morning to code? Try doing it till 22:00, then try pushing until 22:15, then till 22:30. In short your objective should be not giving up for the next 15 minutes, and when that is over; the next 15, and when that is over; 15 minutes after than... till you get to where you were aiming. Chances are you will break, but with time and patience you can only get better. I had this challenge once with a friend. He told me being a nerd I had the worst fitness ever; after a good debate why workout doesn't matter he told me I wouldn't last 5 minutes on a thread mill- The very next day I ran(more like walking very fast) for 45 minutes. Of course I was nearly collapsing after that. By my point was never to run 45 minutes. It was to run the next 3 minutes without giving up, slow down when its overwhelming and keep going at a steady speed and aim to not give up for the next immediate 3 minutes. I've tried everything else. Drinking sugar cane juice, eating a snack, sipping tea. Nothing has worked apart for that 'Don't give up in the next x minutes' strategy. I'm lead to believe this is common in sports too, Test cricket for that matter is believed that, can be excelled by players who can play from a session to session. Just focus on playing this session well.
- stevecooperorg 13y ago
  Yeah -- if willpower is a muscle, then you've got to keep running to exhaustion. People used to call that 'character building.'
  - kamaal 13y ago
    You've got to keep doing things until exhaustion(which it self is a moving target, and you won't reach exhaustion easily or quickly if you practice it enough number of times). Will power is basically getting yourself to do something which you can't because of reasons outside your interest, passion etc. Stuff like working under pressure, duress, extreme tiredness and in faces of adversity. If you are lazy, dispassionate or just bored about something. Will power won't help your there.
    - 13y ago
bpizzi 13y ago
I can confirm the article's introduction: willpower behave somehow like a muscle. Or, at least, you can act as if it was so. From my own (little and personal) experience, I've found it usefull to get into the habit of flexing it whenever I can, if possible in public. Just something like "ok, I'll go with you eating there, I'll just take a salad if you don't mind". Sometime people don't take the opportunity to discuss it further, but when they do it's an easy way to play the role of the guy who's aim in life is to improve his willpower. Incarning a role is, from what I've found so far, the best path to really become that person you want to be. With time, I've found that there's a pattern that occurs when I'm placed in front of a bad looking choice, and it seems more easy to counter that pattern when it pops to mind, along with the memory of previous "willpower workout".
forgottenpaswrd 13y ago
I do the same. I don't eat chocolate or any other sugar sh*t when I have mangoes, apples, oranges or any other delicious fruit. In Spain we have a selection of fantastic food, like "jamon" or cheese or fish or nuts(don't eat Californias's ones, they don't taste at all, the best nuts are the ugliest and dirty in the outside ones) so I prepare mini dishes in the refrigerator so five times a day I open it and there is something delicious and healthy. No need for pizzas or hamburgers(nothing wrong about good pizzas, the Italian ones or good hamburgers from time to time). Eating well gives you energy along the day that nothing is going to give. Exercise is also not a problem in sunny Madrid, but when I travel to Europe or Boston or Illinois I find it super hard to exercise while is freezing cold out there and cloudy, even going to the gym is so much work.
- kamaal 13y ago
  Will power is what you will need when things like eating healthy, exercise isn't helping. Will power is what counts when your absolute physical limits are challenged.
- asdasf 13y ago
  How is delicious fruit not "sugar shit" exactly? Eating poorly gives you energy too. Energy is measured in calories. Consuming sufficient calories is not a challenge.
  - a_c_s 13y ago
    Fruit is far healthier than junk food.
    - driverdan 13y ago
      Healthier but not necessarily far healthier. It's harder to overeat fruit since much of it has large water and fiber content. But fruit is still mostly empty calorie sugar. When given the choice between junk food and fruit pick fruit but there are alternatives.
    - asdasf 13y ago
stevecooperorg 13y ago
"Researchers say we humans have a limited supply of willpower" -- it's an interesting idea but worth noting there are counter-claims. Particularly, it turns out that this may be self-fulfilling prophecy -- people who subscribe to the limited willpower hypothesis tend to run out of willpower more quickly[1] What's interesting here, for those looking to practically increase their willpower, is that treating your willpower as delicate and fundamentally limited might be part of the problem. Personally, I'd like to subscribe to the 'abundant willpower' hypothesis, if that turns out to be the more powerful premise. (But then, I'd also like some cake. What can you do? ;) ) [1] http://www.livescience.com/38980-willpower-is-not-a-finite-resource.html http://www.livescience.com/38980-willpower-is-not-a-finite-r...
- hrkristian 13y ago
  Agreed. His initial example of hunger for one struck me as odd, as hunger is cumulative, so really the only thing that happens when one is continually offered food (one does not really want to eat) on an empty stomach is at some point hunger wins by value, not "attrition". This whole article would be perfect support for men&women who need a new excuse for their cheating habits. > I just get so many tempting offers during the day, eventually I had no choice in the matter.
patatino 13y ago
"If we use up our willpower resisting one temptation we will have less in reserve to resist the next. That’s a big deal because you don’t want to use up all of your willpower resisting a cupcake.." That is true, but also you can't avoid this situations because if "willpower behave somehow like a muscle" you have to train it. It is hard to find a mix between training your willpower and not spending too much willpower on training and having nothing left. I recommend everyone to read more about this topic, there are great books out there which explain how willpower works in your brain and body. One little trick helps me a lot.. If you look at your stuffed garage say to yourself: what a beautiful pile of willpower training.
- kamaal 13y ago
  I think a wrong concept is being circulated around. Will power is not energy, and there isn't a 'bank' you are depleting. And there isn't a 'spending' will power. If you are hungry, just go eat something and get back to work. Working while running short on energy is one of the things where will power helps, and not the only thing. There are plenty of people who are very healthy and fit, but can't push for a minute extra beyond their threshold of tolerance. If you look at it that way, Will power almost has mystical effect surrounding your ability to do certain things when they seem impossible to people outside. Which is why not every one eating and living healthy is swimming the English channel, or writing the next operating system, or playing the football world cup finals, or some one in dire poverty rising their way by hard work. These things can't be gained eating something or living a particular lifestyle.
  - patatino 13y ago
    The prefrontal cortex regulates the three challenges "I will not", "I will" and "I want". These three challenges cost energy everytime we make it. That is what we call willpower. And almost everything you do needs willpower. Willpower doesn't only come in if you wan't to push further.
    - kamaal 13y ago
      We require energy to do anything. Even to just merely exist. But that isn't all there is to, is it?
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icu 13y ago
Thanks mofeeta, for this post. I'd really recommend people seeking to increase their willpower (and productivity) read Getting Stuff Done by David Allen. I'm a lot more organized after reading this book and the author does talk about the scientific basis for 'limited' willpower.
cpplinuxdude 13y ago
This is the least data-backed, and most drivel-filled article I have read on hacker news. Seriously? Anyway I strongly recommend "The power of habit: Why we do what we do, and how to change" which is a scientific investigation into, well, the science of habit, but more importantly the information contained in those pages is highly usable. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Power-Habit-Why-What-Change/dp/1847946240 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Power-Habit-Why-What-Change/dp/18479... Not to mention the "Don't break the chain" principle, which inadvertently makes you apply the most fundamental principle of good habit building: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36497
a3voices 13y ago
Your actions are largely based on your belief systems, knowledge, confidence, and such. You don't need strong willpower, good sleep, or high energy to do things.
raddoc 13y ago
My willpower is directly proportional to the amount of coffee I drink.
skunkworks 13y ago
I've thought a lot about willpower since Jason Shen posted his self-help ebook on here a few weeks ago -- oddly, I have become a believer in cold shower therapy -- and I've come to believe that willpower is indeed limited, but that it can be "exercised" in a way by doing uncomfortable things. However, I think that it's not so much that the exercise is increasing your capacity of willpower, it's that you're training yourself for your activities to use less willpower. Essentially, you can turn what would normally be willpower draining conscious decisions into routine habits that don't require any. Bad analogy, but you're not increasing your MP, you're just making it cheaper to cast Cure. Part of this process for me is learning and reinforcing new habits, but I think there's also value in building confidence in your ability to form new habits. When you see that you're capable of meaningful change, that little jolt of happy chemical rewards serves to reinforce the metahabit of self improvement.
AtTheLast 13y ago
I made some personal goals this month and have been tracking them. Willpower has helped me toward accomplishing some of these goals, but motivation has plays a much larger role. Perhaps motivation recharges the lost willpower.

140 points by mofeeta 13y ago

I don't know how to define "willpower" so I found the initial thesis of his article off-putting. However, Mr. Adams then appears to go into how he manages broad terms that are vague (like willpower) by structuring that term around concrete things like the dopamine rush he gets by being alone with his thoughts and treats the "willpower" to work out as a package deal that includes a vague term with a specific event. Pretty cool little experience article that appears to give a little indication of how he manages things he thinks he should do, with things he knows he will do anyways to bundle up the positive reinforcement.

jotm 13y ago
The "dopamine rush" is actually an endorphin rush - they make you feel good, the dopamine is just released along with the endorphins to facilitate habit formation (basically programming you to do that thing again in the future since it makes you feel good). I think it's a distinction worth noting...

Xcelerate 13y ago

Fine, my comment was apparently irritating some people. I deleted it. It's unfortunate I can't discuss something that's been bothering me with the HN crowd.

skarayan 13y ago
Just continue teaching people, like you are doing now.
- Xcelerate 13y ago
  No, that's not the point at all. If it reads as condescending, you didn't pick up on the last few sentences well enough. I've done plenty of stuff that I regret, some of it worse than what I'm sure the average person has done.
  - skarayan 13y ago
    Actually, I was trying to be sincere -- our actions have consequences on other people and the world at large. The flip side is that we become observers when we don't take any action in fear of affecting the world. Other times, we may think that there may be a certain consequence, but the actual outcome ends up being considerably different. Reference experience becomes important at some point -- it ensures that we take action, make mistakes, set boundaries, and live in the world. You come off intelligent and thoughtful. I'm not sure where you are located but I'd love to connect with you. I'm Sarkis -- skarayan@gmail.com
  - 011011100 13y ago
    "If I sound condescending, it's because you just didn't understand what I was trying to say" wow.
PakG1 13y ago
This is not a completely unique situation, but it can feel very unique. I suppose it's like being gay or something, in that, until you realize there are others like you, you feel like there is nobody like you. For me, I have similar difficulty with observing relationships, whether love, marriage, business, or other. I see people getting into relationships and thinking, "What the heck are they thinking, can't they see what's going to happen a mile away?" But when someone gets hitched in one of these relationships, whether dating, marriage, or business, how can you say anything other than congratulations without everyone labeling you a total jerk? And because I go overboard thinking of all those things from a mile away, I usually take very few risks in relationships at all (again, all encompassing including love and business). http://xkcd.com/439/ http://xkcd.com/439/ Delayed gratification is often cited as an important variable for predicting future success of people. That in turn speaks to level of willpower. I am not saying I am good at it, as I know I am not (though it's quite easy for me to avoid stupid relationship decisions). Having good willpower and good delayed gratification capability is supposed to be good for one's future. Just make sure that you don't let the good quality of willpower enable you to rationalize yourself into being gunshy so that you don't do anything at all. I am still learning that. I realize that having willpower to keep your integrity and avoiding risks are two subjects not necessarily related. So sorry if I made the turn go even farther off-road.
011011100 13y ago
Wow, you are so special. Edit: I think you took it down for your own sake, not ours.
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]
- Xcelerate 13y ago
  You're not the friendliest person around. Do you delight in making me feel bad?
  - 011011100 13y ago
    How am I making you feel bad? By pointing out that you have an inflated self perception? And if you disagree with that, then maybe you should have kept your original post up.
sliverstorm 13y ago
This is a difficult discussion to have without examples. I've given up plenty of values from when I was a teenager. It wasn't because of weak willpower, it was because I eventually realized those values were silly. Another thing that comes to mind; "a plan never survives first contact with the enemy". Values/morals like to be black & white, but the world is grey. Edit: I had no problem with your original comment, and as it was still positive I doubt many people had a problem with it at all. I see, what, all of 1-2 mildly negative replies? Don't needlessly play the victim, it is unseemly.

mistercow 13y ago

Something I've yet to see explored is the difference between negative and positive willpower. For example, I find it very difficult to motivate myself to do something I don't want to do, and easy to procrastinate. But it is relatively easy for me to have the willpower not to do something that I do want to do. On the other hand, many people seem to have the opposite problem; they find it relatively easy to do things that are unpleasant, but difficult to restrain themselves from indulging in the things that they enjoy. Of course, you can have a mix of both problems, and it might vary based on what makes the activity unpleasant or pleasant. If something is physically addictive, then someone with strong restraint might find an exception there. And if a task is stressful or painful rather than merely cumbersome or boring, someone with strong proactive willpower might still have difficulty with it. But I think it's worth investigating because it seems plausible that these are entirely different problems conflated by language. And it seems likely that totally different strategies would be needed for managing them.

Xcelerate 13y ago
This is an incredibly interesting point that I've never heard anyone mention before.
return0 13y ago
When the task requires some effort, it's obvious that it's easier to just not do it, even if desirable. The least effort it requires, the harder it is to deny it (e.g. smoking).
- mistercow 13y ago
  Maybe, but I'm not sure that always holds up. Playing video games requires effort, but many people find it difficult to refrain from that. This may be confounded somewhat, since in some cases procrastination might be mistaken for lack of restraint. But I don't think that's always the case.
  - mkmkmmmmm 13y ago
    There must be a distinction between deliberate effort and flow effort? One weird thing I note is that reading highly technical articles online is easier to make myself do than reading technical papers (even if the article is roughly as difficult). It's like the same task but the classification causes me to make different decisions.

mikro2nd 13y ago

I wanted to read the article, but I just couldn't make myself do it.

charlieirish 13y ago

Willpower is a fascinating subject. It often boils down to what Dan Ariely calls 'Ego Depletion' whereby you are competing with yourself. Eventually you will lose. If you haven't seen it, it's worth watching the marshmallow experiment. You can see that some young children seem to have an ability to enhance their willpower at even a very early age. Adults who seem to be strong willed often exhibit this behaviour in the form of routines. There's more about the subject with tips on improving your will power here: http://www.startupclarity.com/blog/people-dont/ http://www.startupclarity.com/blog/people-dont/

kamaal 13y ago

I always see the best way to develop will power towards doing something is to try and take the smallest step possible in doing it. I've had tremendous success with it. Can't stay awake till 3 AM in the morning to code? Try doing it till 22:00, then try pushing until 22:15, then till 22:30. In short your objective should be not giving up for the next 15 minutes, and when that is over; the next 15, and when that is over; 15 minutes after than... till you get to where you were aiming. Chances are you will break, but with time and patience you can only get better. I had this challenge once with a friend. He told me being a nerd I had the worst fitness ever; after a good debate why workout doesn't matter he told me I wouldn't last 5 minutes on a thread mill- The very next day I ran(more like walking very fast) for 45 minutes. Of course I was nearly collapsing after that. By my point was never to run 45 minutes. It was to run the next 3 minutes without giving up, slow down when its overwhelming and keep going at a steady speed and aim to not give up for the next immediate 3 minutes. I've tried everything else. Drinking sugar cane juice, eating a snack, sipping tea. Nothing has worked apart for that 'Don't give up in the next x minutes' strategy. I'm lead to believe this is common in sports too, Test cricket for that matter is believed that, can be excelled by players who can play from a session to session. Just focus on playing this session well.

stevecooperorg 13y ago
Yeah -- if willpower is a muscle, then you've got to keep running to exhaustion. People used to call that 'character building.'
- kamaal 13y ago
  You've got to keep doing things until exhaustion(which it self is a moving target, and you won't reach exhaustion easily or quickly if you practice it enough number of times). Will power is basically getting yourself to do something which you can't because of reasons outside your interest, passion etc. Stuff like working under pressure, duress, extreme tiredness and in faces of adversity. If you are lazy, dispassionate or just bored about something. Will power won't help your there.
  - 13y ago

bpizzi 13y ago

I can confirm the article's introduction: willpower behave somehow like a muscle. Or, at least, you can act as if it was so. From my own (little and personal) experience, I've found it usefull to get into the habit of flexing it whenever I can, if possible in public. Just something like "ok, I'll go with you eating there, I'll just take a salad if you don't mind". Sometime people don't take the opportunity to discuss it further, but when they do it's an easy way to play the role of the guy who's aim in life is to improve his willpower. Incarning a role is, from what I've found so far, the best path to really become that person you want to be. With time, I've found that there's a pattern that occurs when I'm placed in front of a bad looking choice, and it seems more easy to counter that pattern when it pops to mind, along with the memory of previous "willpower workout".

forgottenpaswrd 13y ago

I do the same. I don't eat chocolate or any other sugar sh*t when I have mangoes, apples, oranges or any other delicious fruit. In Spain we have a selection of fantastic food, like "jamon" or cheese or fish or nuts(don't eat Californias's ones, they don't taste at all, the best nuts are the ugliest and dirty in the outside ones) so I prepare mini dishes in the refrigerator so five times a day I open it and there is something delicious and healthy. No need for pizzas or hamburgers(nothing wrong about good pizzas, the Italian ones or good hamburgers from time to time). Eating well gives you energy along the day that nothing is going to give. Exercise is also not a problem in sunny Madrid, but when I travel to Europe or Boston or Illinois I find it super hard to exercise while is freezing cold out there and cloudy, even going to the gym is so much work.

kamaal 13y ago
Will power is what you will need when things like eating healthy, exercise isn't helping. Will power is what counts when your absolute physical limits are challenged.
asdasf 13y ago
How is delicious fruit not "sugar shit" exactly? Eating poorly gives you energy too. Energy is measured in calories. Consuming sufficient calories is not a challenge.
- a_c_s 13y ago
  Fruit is far healthier than junk food.
  - driverdan 13y ago
    Healthier but not necessarily far healthier. It's harder to overeat fruit since much of it has large water and fiber content. But fruit is still mostly empty calorie sugar. When given the choice between junk food and fruit pick fruit but there are alternatives.
  - asdasf 13y ago

stevecooperorg 13y ago

"Researchers say we humans have a limited supply of willpower" -- it's an interesting idea but worth noting there are counter-claims. Particularly, it turns out that this may be self-fulfilling prophecy -- people who subscribe to the limited willpower hypothesis tend to run out of willpower more quickly[1] What's interesting here, for those looking to practically increase their willpower, is that treating your willpower as delicate and fundamentally limited might be part of the problem. Personally, I'd like to subscribe to the 'abundant willpower' hypothesis, if that turns out to be the more powerful premise. (But then, I'd also like some cake. What can you do? ;) ) [1] http://www.livescience.com/38980-willpower-is-not-a-finite-resource.html http://www.livescience.com/38980-willpower-is-not-a-finite-r...

hrkristian 13y ago
Agreed. His initial example of hunger for one struck me as odd, as hunger is cumulative, so really the only thing that happens when one is continually offered food (one does not really want to eat) on an empty stomach is at some point hunger wins by value, not "attrition". This whole article would be perfect support for men&women who need a new excuse for their cheating habits. > I just get so many tempting offers during the day, eventually I had no choice in the matter.

patatino 13y ago

"If we use up our willpower resisting one temptation we will have less in reserve to resist the next. That’s a big deal because you don’t want to use up all of your willpower resisting a cupcake.." That is true, but also you can't avoid this situations because if "willpower behave somehow like a muscle" you have to train it. It is hard to find a mix between training your willpower and not spending too much willpower on training and having nothing left. I recommend everyone to read more about this topic, there are great books out there which explain how willpower works in your brain and body. One little trick helps me a lot.. If you look at your stuffed garage say to yourself: what a beautiful pile of willpower training.

kamaal 13y ago
I think a wrong concept is being circulated around. Will power is not energy, and there isn't a 'bank' you are depleting. And there isn't a 'spending' will power. If you are hungry, just go eat something and get back to work. Working while running short on energy is one of the things where will power helps, and not the only thing. There are plenty of people who are very healthy and fit, but can't push for a minute extra beyond their threshold of tolerance. If you look at it that way, Will power almost has mystical effect surrounding your ability to do certain things when they seem impossible to people outside. Which is why not every one eating and living healthy is swimming the English channel, or writing the next operating system, or playing the football world cup finals, or some one in dire poverty rising their way by hard work. These things can't be gained eating something or living a particular lifestyle.
- patatino 13y ago
  The prefrontal cortex regulates the three challenges "I will not", "I will" and "I want". These three challenges cost energy everytime we make it. That is what we call willpower. And almost everything you do needs willpower. Willpower doesn't only come in if you wan't to push further.
  - kamaal 13y ago
    We require energy to do anything. Even to just merely exist. But that isn't all there is to, is it?

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icu 13y ago

Thanks mofeeta, for this post. I'd really recommend people seeking to increase their willpower (and productivity) read Getting Stuff Done by David Allen. I'm a lot more organized after reading this book and the author does talk about the scientific basis for 'limited' willpower.

cpplinuxdude 13y ago

This is the least data-backed, and most drivel-filled article I have read on hacker news. Seriously? Anyway I strongly recommend "The power of habit: Why we do what we do, and how to change" which is a scientific investigation into, well, the science of habit, but more importantly the information contained in those pages is highly usable. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Power-Habit-Why-What-Change/dp/1847946240 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Power-Habit-Why-What-Change/dp/18479... Not to mention the "Don't break the chain" principle, which inadvertently makes you apply the most fundamental principle of good habit building: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36497

a3voices 13y ago

Your actions are largely based on your belief systems, knowledge, confidence, and such. You don't need strong willpower, good sleep, or high energy to do things.

raddoc 13y ago

My willpower is directly proportional to the amount of coffee I drink.

skunkworks 13y ago

I've thought a lot about willpower since Jason Shen posted his self-help ebook on here a few weeks ago -- oddly, I have become a believer in cold shower therapy -- and I've come to believe that willpower is indeed limited, but that it can be "exercised" in a way by doing uncomfortable things. However, I think that it's not so much that the exercise is increasing your capacity of willpower, it's that you're training yourself for your activities to use less willpower. Essentially, you can turn what would normally be willpower draining conscious decisions into routine habits that don't require any. Bad analogy, but you're not increasing your MP, you're just making it cheaper to cast Cure. Part of this process for me is learning and reinforcing new habits, but I think there's also value in building confidence in your ability to form new habits. When you see that you're capable of meaningful change, that little jolt of happy chemical rewards serves to reinforce the metahabit of self improvement.

AtTheLast 13y ago

I made some personal goals this month and have been tracking them. Willpower has helped me toward accomplishing some of these goals, but motivation has plays a much larger role. Perhaps motivation recharges the lost willpower.