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That's just beyond retarded. I weep when people have been conditioned by Canonical (and Microsoft) to accept this.

Daishiman 13y ago
It's not all Canonical's faults. A highly customized install with a few extra libs here and there and some proprietary softare can easily wreck havoc on a system.
- gw 13y ago
  The same problem persisted after I did a fresh install, so in this case there is something that it doesn't like about my computer, a Lenovo G780.
- zanny 13y ago
  I had a continuous Arch install for 4 years without massive breakage through half a dozen major switches, including the fs layout and the systemd transition. I just upgraded to an SSD and decided to clean slate rather than carry extra fs creep baggage that isn't linked to a package to remove, but I still have that partition around, and I'm pretty sure if I upgraded it it might still boot. It is why I like rolling releases - rather than have catastrophic breakage every half year, you continuously migrate upwards. It means occasionally you need to pull up a web browser to see why your desktop is missing, but its better than doing a dist-upgrade and getting an unbootable system.
- icebraining 13y ago
  My Debian installation has been the same for six years and survived moving from Gnome → XFCE → Fluxbox → Awesome and installing bleeding-edge mesa and radeon drivers, plus other kinds on tinkering. Oh, and moving to an SSD.
bashinator 13y ago
Especially since the upstream distro (Debian) is absolutely phenomenal when it comes to in-place major upgrades.
candl 13y ago
Here's a video of a continuous upgrade from ms-dos through every windows version all up to windows 7 (a timespan of ~20 years) that proves it's possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14
- gavinpc 13y ago
  The whole time I was watching this I was thinking, how would I explain to a normal human being why it is that I can't look away. Windows 3.0 especially took me back to my adolescence, like a smell.

It's not all Canonical's faults. A highly customized install with a few extra libs here and there and some proprietary softare can easily wreck havoc on a system.

gw 13y ago
The same problem persisted after I did a fresh install, so in this case there is something that it doesn't like about my computer, a Lenovo G780.
zanny 13y ago
I had a continuous Arch install for 4 years without massive breakage through half a dozen major switches, including the fs layout and the systemd transition. I just upgraded to an SSD and decided to clean slate rather than carry extra fs creep baggage that isn't linked to a package to remove, but I still have that partition around, and I'm pretty sure if I upgraded it it might still boot. It is why I like rolling releases - rather than have catastrophic breakage every half year, you continuously migrate upwards. It means occasionally you need to pull up a web browser to see why your desktop is missing, but its better than doing a dist-upgrade and getting an unbootable system.
icebraining 13y ago
My Debian installation has been the same for six years and survived moving from Gnome → XFCE → Fluxbox → Awesome and installing bleeding-edge mesa and radeon drivers, plus other kinds on tinkering. Oh, and moving to an SSD.

bashinator 13y ago

Especially since the upstream distro (Debian) is absolutely phenomenal when it comes to in-place major upgrades.

candl 13y ago

Here's a video of a continuous upgrade from ms-dos through every windows version all up to windows 7 (a timespan of ~20 years) that proves it's possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14

gavinpc 13y ago
The whole time I was watching this I was thinking, how would I explain to a normal human being why it is that I can't look away. Windows 3.0 especially took me back to my adolescence, like a smell.