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It turns out he might be a bit of a jerk after all. Nonetheless that is not the post the GGP was responding to. And your tactic of discrediting the guy rather t

It turns out he might be a bit of a jerk after all. Nonetheless that is not the post the GGP was responding to. And your tactic of discrediting the guy rather than looking at what he actually said in the current thread is reactive behavior.

lucisferre 13y ago
Pointing out his misogyny is not "ad hominem" as you seem to think and provides further context for understanding the other comment. Not that it's needed, he is pretty clear, I don't think anyone here is misunderstanding it.
- roarroar 13y ago
  I didn't bring up the term "ad hominem". Please stop putting words into my mouth. You are very determined to do anything but address anything anyone's actually saying. Your defense mechanisms are showing.
- jacalata 13y ago
  For reference, ad hominem means "attempts to undermine an argument based on an irrelevant fact about the person making the argument" (Wikipedia). It doesn't seem unfair to use it to paraphrase the description "your tactic of discrediting the guy rather than looking at what he actually said".
  - roarroar 13y ago
    Exactly. The guy hating women or not is not _irrelevant_, but it's not relevant in the way GP is trying to use it. That's why he tries to play the "ad hominem" card so he can throw up some moronic straw man about relevancy.
    - jacalata 13y ago
      Actually I was pointing out that lucisferre's use of the term 'ad hominem' to characterise your comment was completely fair and not 'putting words in your mouth' just because you never used the explicit phrase.
      - roarroar 13y ago
        Perhaps you're right. Let's chalk that up to misunderstanding, shall we?
lambda 13y ago
What he said about women trying to make a progressive movement all about their vagina? What is that even supposed to mean? How is the ruby community a "progressive movement" (yes, he was just quoting someone, but it doesn't even make sense in that context). This was in response to a man asking that people not act like assholes and name things immature sexual names. There was no point here. He was just lashing out at something he's afraid of and frustrated by. Asking that people act nicer does not make something a "politically correct thought police 'safe space'". And claiming that asking that people act nicer is "co-opting of male spaces" is a pretty pathetic attempt to play the victim card while simultaneously trying to exclude and marginalize women who have contributed tons to the tech industry.
- roarroar 13y ago
  >What he said about women trying to make a progressive movement all about their vagina? It's an outburst. So what? Maybe it's humor, maybe he has some kind of pathological issue with women. It doesn't matter because there is a valid point being completely ignored so people can moan about how "women unfriendly" the post is. >What is that even supposed to mean? How is the ruby community a "progressive movement" Firstly, I don't think the Ruby movement is progressive, mostly because it's a shitty language. Secondly, the point is not whether Ruby is or is not progressive. Even if you accept that it's a retrogressive movement his point stands because it is a general one. >There was no point here. He was just lashing out at something he's afraid of and frustrated by. I beg to differ. There is a real trend of PC activism aiming to protect sensitive little flowers of various kinds against offense. Your attempt to psychologise the guy is just a cheap tactic to avoid this point. >Asking that people act nicer does not make something a "politically correct thought police 'safe space'". The hidden (and incorrect) assumption here is that this is unconnected to PC activism. >And claiming that asking that people act nicer is "co-opting of male spaces" is a pretty pathetic attempt to play the victim card while simultaneously trying to exclude and marginalize women who have contributed tons to the tech industry. "Pathetic", "margenalize", "afraid", "exclude", etc. And you say this is unconnected to PC activism? His post didn't marginalize anyone. It was making a fairly specific point that your defense mechanisms are preventing you from seeing.
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lucisferre 13y ago

Pointing out his misogyny is not "ad hominem" as you seem to think and provides further context for understanding the other comment. Not that it's needed, he is pretty clear, I don't think anyone here is misunderstanding it.

roarroar 13y ago
I didn't bring up the term "ad hominem". Please stop putting words into my mouth. You are very determined to do anything but address anything anyone's actually saying. Your defense mechanisms are showing.
jacalata 13y ago
For reference, ad hominem means "attempts to undermine an argument based on an irrelevant fact about the person making the argument" (Wikipedia). It doesn't seem unfair to use it to paraphrase the description "your tactic of discrediting the guy rather than looking at what he actually said".
- roarroar 13y ago
  Exactly. The guy hating women or not is not _irrelevant_, but it's not relevant in the way GP is trying to use it. That's why he tries to play the "ad hominem" card so he can throw up some moronic straw man about relevancy.
  - jacalata 13y ago
    Actually I was pointing out that lucisferre's use of the term 'ad hominem' to characterise your comment was completely fair and not 'putting words in your mouth' just because you never used the explicit phrase.
    - roarroar 13y ago
      Perhaps you're right. Let's chalk that up to misunderstanding, shall we?

lambda 13y ago

What he said about women trying to make a progressive movement all about their vagina? What is that even supposed to mean? How is the ruby community a "progressive movement" (yes, he was just quoting someone, but it doesn't even make sense in that context). This was in response to a man asking that people not act like assholes and name things immature sexual names. There was no point here. He was just lashing out at something he's afraid of and frustrated by. Asking that people act nicer does not make something a "politically correct thought police 'safe space'". And claiming that asking that people act nicer is "co-opting of male spaces" is a pretty pathetic attempt to play the victim card while simultaneously trying to exclude and marginalize women who have contributed tons to the tech industry.

roarroar 13y ago
>What he said about women trying to make a progressive movement all about their vagina? It's an outburst. So what? Maybe it's humor, maybe he has some kind of pathological issue with women. It doesn't matter because there is a valid point being completely ignored so people can moan about how "women unfriendly" the post is. >What is that even supposed to mean? How is the ruby community a "progressive movement" Firstly, I don't think the Ruby movement is progressive, mostly because it's a shitty language. Secondly, the point is not whether Ruby is or is not progressive. Even if you accept that it's a retrogressive movement his point stands because it is a general one. >There was no point here. He was just lashing out at something he's afraid of and frustrated by. I beg to differ. There is a real trend of PC activism aiming to protect sensitive little flowers of various kinds against offense. Your attempt to psychologise the guy is just a cheap tactic to avoid this point. >Asking that people act nicer does not make something a "politically correct thought police 'safe space'". The hidden (and incorrect) assumption here is that this is unconnected to PC activism. >And claiming that asking that people act nicer is "co-opting of male spaces" is a pretty pathetic attempt to play the victim card while simultaneously trying to exclude and marginalize women who have contributed tons to the tech industry. "Pathetic", "margenalize", "afraid", "exclude", etc. And you say this is unconnected to PC activism? His post didn't marginalize anyone. It was making a fairly specific point that your defense mechanisms are preventing you from seeing.
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