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I for one can't wait for this reveal: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-assassination-leaks-greenwald-514/ http://rt.com/usa/nsa-assassination-leaks-greenwald-514/

by devx 13y ago

jessaustin 13y ago
I predict that the chucklehead faction on HN will be torn between two responses: "these are lies" and "this isn't news these programs have been in place forever everybody knows about it".
- ianstallings 13y ago
  That statement really pisses me off. I'm a conservative. Am I going to say that? Predict me, since you're so good at it. What's coming next from me? Edit: The OP changed their post. It said "conservative" not chucklehead.
  - jessaustin 13y ago
    I don't know. Maybe you'll hop on one foot while shaking your fist and frowning? Is there an emoticon for that?
    - ianstallings 13y ago
      Why don't you go back under your bridge troll. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- krapp 13y ago
  Meanwhile the libertarians and liberals will fight over "this is just the inevitable consequence of the monopoly on violence that the state represents" and "clearly this means the government must have killed Aaron Swartz and Steve Jobs and that it's only a matter of time before the murder-squads come after you."
  - jessaustin 13y ago
    As silly as those two propositions might seem, at least they don't contradict each other!
- pekk 13y ago
  Some things are lies, some are unverifiable, and other things have been in place forever and were either known or easily guessable. Since these are three disjoint classes of things, this is not self-contradictory.
  - jessaustin 13y ago
    ...three disjoint classes of things... I was referring specifically to the alleged assassination program. Into which class does that fall?
JackFr 13y ago
It's a matter of record of record that President Obama has targeted and killed American citizens without trial or warrant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki It would not surprise me if there were more.
- canttestthis 13y ago
  I would like examples of Obama authorizing the assassination of journalists/activists/etc., and not someone who's been called the "bin Laden of the Internet". Its much easier to be outraged about extrajudicial killings when the target isn't linked to Al Qaeda.
  - nikcub 13y ago
    al-Alwaki's 16 year old son was also killed in a drone strike. He was a US citizen[1] Pakistani report shows that in 70 drone strikes between '06 and '09 94 children were killed [2] [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/opinion/the-drone-that-killed-my-grandson.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/opinion/the-drone-that-kil... [2] http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/blog/2013/07/22/get-the-data-the-pakistan-governments-secret-document/ http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/blog/2013/07/22/get-the...
    - berntb 13y ago
      I thought that for a military bombing weapon, the drones have very good statistics for civilian causalities? (If they should be used to target the people they are targeting is another question.) (Also, terrorists that know they have a target painted on top of their head are not the responsible part, if kids they spend time with die?) About Pakistani statistics: Note that Pakistani politicians approving of drones (an unofficial deal [about drones, with USA] was leaked iirc?) are targeted for murder. So public condemnations are not worth much there. Anyway, afaik Pakistan do lots of cross border terror attacks on Afghanistan and India, then lie consistently. Pakistani claims about this subject just aren't trustworthy.
  - JackFr 13y ago

I for one can't wait for this reveal: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-assassination-leaks-greenwald-514/ http://rt.com/usa/nsa-assassination-leaks-greenwald-514/

by devx 13y ago

I for one can't wait for this reveal: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-assassination-leaks-greenwald-514/ http://rt.com/usa/nsa-assassination-leaks-greenwald-514/

jessaustin 13y ago

I predict that the chucklehead faction on HN will be torn between two responses: "these are lies" and "this isn't news these programs have been in place forever everybody knows about it".

ianstallings 13y ago
That statement really pisses me off. I'm a conservative. Am I going to say that? Predict me, since you're so good at it. What's coming next from me? Edit: The OP changed their post. It said "conservative" not chucklehead.
- jessaustin 13y ago
  I don't know. Maybe you'll hop on one foot while shaking your fist and frowning? Is there an emoticon for that?
  - ianstallings 13y ago
    Why don't you go back under your bridge troll. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
krapp 13y ago
Meanwhile the libertarians and liberals will fight over "this is just the inevitable consequence of the monopoly on violence that the state represents" and "clearly this means the government must have killed Aaron Swartz and Steve Jobs and that it's only a matter of time before the murder-squads come after you."
- jessaustin 13y ago
  As silly as those two propositions might seem, at least they don't contradict each other!
pekk 13y ago
Some things are lies, some are unverifiable, and other things have been in place forever and were either known or easily guessable. Since these are three disjoint classes of things, this is not self-contradictory.
- jessaustin 13y ago
  ...three disjoint classes of things... I was referring specifically to the alleged assassination program. Into which class does that fall?

JackFr 13y ago

It's a matter of record of record that President Obama has targeted and killed American citizens without trial or warrant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki It would not surprise me if there were more.

canttestthis 13y ago
I would like examples of Obama authorizing the assassination of journalists/activists/etc., and not someone who's been called the "bin Laden of the Internet". Its much easier to be outraged about extrajudicial killings when the target isn't linked to Al Qaeda.
- nikcub 13y ago
  al-Alwaki's 16 year old son was also killed in a drone strike. He was a US citizen[1] Pakistani report shows that in 70 drone strikes between '06 and '09 94 children were killed [2] [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/opinion/the-drone-that-killed-my-grandson.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/opinion/the-drone-that-kil... [2] http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/blog/2013/07/22/get-the-data-the-pakistan-governments-secret-document/ http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/blog/2013/07/22/get-the...
  - berntb 13y ago
    I thought that for a military bombing weapon, the drones have very good statistics for civilian causalities? (If they should be used to target the people they are targeting is another question.) (Also, terrorists that know they have a target painted on top of their head are not the responsible part, if kids they spend time with die?) About Pakistani statistics: Note that Pakistani politicians approving of drones (an unofficial deal [about drones, with USA] was leaked iirc?) are targeted for murder. So public condemnations are not worth much there. Anyway, afaik Pakistan do lots of cross border terror attacks on Afghanistan and India, then lie consistently. Pakistani claims about this subject just aren't trustworthy.
- JackFr 13y ago