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I honestly didn't expect much from this. The part that scares me about all of this is this: if the government can't read our emails, listen to our phone calls,

I honestly didn't expect much from this. The part that scares me about all of this is this: if the government can't read our emails, listen to our phone calls, or see our web traffic but they have the ability to... what stops them from outsourcing the work to another country, where there is no constitutional restraint. we outsource everything else, why not our domestic spying?

nostrademons 13y ago
The intelligence community works on the principle that it's valuable to have information that other people do not. If they outsource the spying, then other people have that information, right?
- mrt0mat0 13y ago
  but if the people you outsource to you are their allies, they may be able to justify it. Besides, it seems the NSA has a gift for rationalizing things away
- minor_nitwit 13y ago
  Australia, UK, New Zealand, Canada, and the US are all part of the 5-eyes, which have a broad agreement on sharing intelligence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes While they may not share information with say - China - they will share it with one of the other eyes, who could also lend a helping hand in domestic spying.
- rhizome 13y ago
  Current revelations aside, when agencies are prohibited by law from engaging in certain kinds of surveillance, looping other countries in can be a way of purifying the information they desire. In other words, it's not illegal for the UK to spy on US citizens (and vice versa), so if the US maintains good relations they can get backchannel data all they like.
BadCookie 13y ago
It has been reported that the NSA shares data, including raw data on Americans, with Israel. Unfortunately, what you are concerned about has already occurred. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-p...
- mrt0mat0 13y ago
  sharing information, i think is small potatoes. showing them how to get the information on their own is what i fear. "Hey, check out this backdoor we found. Enjoy"
  - mark-r 13y ago
    Already been done. Remember Stuxnet?
BlackDeath3 13y ago
That sounds sort of like treason to me. Or, I don't know, terrorism.

nostrademons 13y ago

The intelligence community works on the principle that it's valuable to have information that other people do not. If they outsource the spying, then other people have that information, right?

mrt0mat0 13y ago
but if the people you outsource to you are their allies, they may be able to justify it. Besides, it seems the NSA has a gift for rationalizing things away
minor_nitwit 13y ago
Australia, UK, New Zealand, Canada, and the US are all part of the 5-eyes, which have a broad agreement on sharing intelligence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes While they may not share information with say - China - they will share it with one of the other eyes, who could also lend a helping hand in domestic spying.
rhizome 13y ago
Current revelations aside, when agencies are prohibited by law from engaging in certain kinds of surveillance, looping other countries in can be a way of purifying the information they desire. In other words, it's not illegal for the UK to spy on US citizens (and vice versa), so if the US maintains good relations they can get backchannel data all they like.

BadCookie 13y ago

It has been reported that the NSA shares data, including raw data on Americans, with Israel. Unfortunately, what you are concerned about has already occurred. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-p...

mrt0mat0 13y ago
sharing information, i think is small potatoes. showing them how to get the information on their own is what i fear. "Hey, check out this backdoor we found. Enjoy"
- mark-r 13y ago
  Already been done. Remember Stuxnet?

BlackDeath3 13y ago

That sounds sort of like treason to me. Or, I don't know, terrorism.