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I refer you to this paragraph from the Wikipedia by Mr.Kaczynski, which summarizes what I feel when I see people marching like lemmings towards our collective e
by _debug_ 17y ago
I refer you to this paragraph from the Wikipedia by Mr.Kaczynski, which summarizes what I feel when I see people marching like lemmings towards our collective enslavement, especially those working on projects which directly invade our privacy, such as reading intention, following eye movements, etc; Don't they realize how these will be used by governments?
"...who participate in a powerful social movement to compensate for their lack of personal power. He further claims that leftism as a movement is led by a particular minority of leftists whom he calls "oversocialized":
The moral code of our society is so demanding that no one can think, feel and act in a completely moral way. [...] Some people are so highly socialized that the attempt to think, feel and act morally imposes a severe burden on them. In order to avoid feelings of guilt, they continually have to deceive themselves about their own motives and find moral explanations for feelings and actions that in reality have a non-moral origin. We use the term "oversocialized" to describe such people.[35]
He goes on to explain how the nature of leftism is determined by the psychological consequences of "oversocialization." Kaczynski "attribute[s] the social and psychological problems of modern society to the fact that society requires people to live under conditions radically different from those under which the human race evolved and to behave in ways that conflict with the patterns of behavior that the human race developed while living under the earlier conditions." He further specifies the primary cause of a long list of social and psychological problems in modern society as the disruption of the "power process", which he defines as having four elements:
The three most clear-cut of these we call goal, effort and attainment of goal. (Everyone needs to have goals whose attainment requires effort, and needs to succeed in attaining at least some of his goals.) The fourth element is more difficult to define and may not be necessary for everyone. We call it autonomy and will discuss it later.[36] [...] We divide human drives into three groups: (1) those drives that can be satisfied with minimal effort; (2) those that can be satisfied but only at the cost of serious effort; (3) those that cannot be adequately satisfied no matter how much effort one makes. The power process is the process of satisfying the drives of the second group.[37]
Kaczynski goes on to claim that "[i]n modern industrial society natural human drives tend to be pushed into the first and third groups, and the second group tends to consist increasingly of artificially created drives." Among these drives are "surrogate activities", activities "directed toward an artificial goal that people set up for themselves merely in order to have some goal to work toward, or let us say, merely for the sake of the 'fulfillment' that they get from pursuing the goal".[38] He claims that scientific research is a surrogate activity for scientists, and that for this reason "science marches on blindly, without regard to the real welfare of the human race or to any other standard, obedient only to the psychological needs of the scientists and of the government officials and corporation executives who provide the funds for research."
- riffic 17y agoyou can not seriously quote the unabomber as an authoritative source on the morality of human achievement.
- aswanson 17y agoPerhaps not, but could you follow up with a point-by-point refutation of the material cited, and ignore the character/actions of the author?
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- riffic 17y ago"I regard him as the essence of evil. He's evil and amoral. He has no compassion," said Dr. Charles Epstein, who was seriously injured in 1993 when a bomb went off in a piece of mail he opened at his home. The blast destroyed both of Epstein's eardrums, and he lost parts of three of his fingers. Epstein, 75, is a world-renowned geneticist and retired professor at the University of California at San Francisco.
- embeddedradical 17y agosorry about this, i know we're talking about humans and all that, but maybe its the intpness of me - but you didn't respond with any reasoning at all, but instead did exactly what was to be avoided - problems with the man, and not the ideas. my problem with the excerpt is that it is not that meaningful. no one has ever been able to prevent technology from advancing, they've tried many times before, for whatever reasons - and i believe that if we can have a singularity, and if we survive, then we will.
- riffic 17y agoI felt I didn't need to respond to the reasoning, it's the Unabomber. Do people need a point by point refutation of Mein Kampf too these days?