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Mozilla Labs: TogetherJS
- gourneau 13y agoWas this previously know as towtruck?
- edtechdev 13y agoyes: https://twitter.com/mozlabs/status/380847329437159424 https://twitter.com/mozlabs/status/380847329437159424 wonder if they might to add some kind of drawing/annotation tools
- zvin 13y agoYou can try http://eatponies.com http://eatponies.com for persistent drawing with other people.
- roryokane 13y agoYes. See the name change announcement from earlier today: https://blog.mozilla.org/labs/2013/09/reintroducing-togetherjs-formerly-known-as-towtruck/?utm_medium=App.net&utm_source=PourOver https://blog.mozilla.org/labs/2013/09/reintroducing-together... . “We wanted a name that reflects the wider scope of how to use the tools.”
- ilaksh 13y agoSeems similar to ShareJS
- morgante 13y agoThe content sync is the really impressive feature here. Basically drop-in multiuser support.
- dshipper 13y agoThis is very similar to what we do at Firefly (http://usefirefly.com http://usefirefly.com), except we support all the way back to IE 8. Kudos to these guys for putting this together - especially if it works well. It's a lot harder than it looks.
- mbreese 13y agoDoes this require using Mozilla's servers on the backend? I've played with ShareJS and a commercial hosted OT service, but they all required talking to the server. So, I assume this does too, but I haven't seen where I could install it on my server.
- AndyEth 13y agoLook here: https://togetherjs.com/docs/contributing.html#hosting-the-hub-server https://togetherjs.com/docs/contributing.html#hosting-the-hu...
- mbreese 13y agoNote that we haven't really "finished" the story around self-hosting, so the details of this are likely to change. That's exactly what I was looking for - Thanks! It looks like they still have some documentation to fill out, but at least it's coming.
- ianb 13y ago[Team member here] We haven't been very focused on the hosting story, in part because lots of people have their own requirements, and we can't predict what they are. And maybe because predicting what they are is boring. I know some hooks for New Relic have been added to the server. It's also a super-simple server that only keeps things in memory, so it's pretty darn easy to handle. Just one file: https://github.com/mozilla/togetherjs/blob/develop/hub/server.js https://github.com/mozilla/togetherjs/blob/develop/hub/serve... (and only one dependency, for WebSockets).
- jdeisenberg 13y agoI think this is what you want: https://github.com/mozilla/togetherjs/wiki/Hosting-the-Hub-Server https://github.com/mozilla/togetherjs/wiki/Hosting-the-Hub-S...
- itsbits 13y agoVideo and Audio chat functionality are real advantages over other collab tools...awesome work...i will surely check this out some time..BTW is IE11 will be providing WebRTC support??
- ianb 13y agoIE10 has WebSockets: http://caniuse.com/websockets http://caniuse.com/websockets – but TogetherJS doesn't support IE10 either (simply haven't been able to keep up testing with IE in addition to other browsers).
- gbadman 13y agoThis is a really cool and ambitious project. Although some mention ShareJS, I would say that the OT portion more closely resembles that employed by Firebase in their Firepad project [1] (in that no centralized server manages ordering and history). Actually, this system has many of the features of Firebase in a self-hosted package. As a user of ShareJS (for the real-time collaboration on Plunker [2]), I can see some interesting benefits offered by TogetherJS; the system has cursor and presence features out of the box. That being said, the main drawback that I see in TogetherJS is that it seems to be tightly coupled in a way that it is hard to take smaller parts of the overall system. It would be great if the P2P network system could be extracted and plugged into a node.js Stream interface. That would allow the code to plug into a whole ecosystem of interesting libraries [3]. I'm really excited by all the powerful libraries that Mozilla has been pumping out these days. The web is a great place to be. [1] https://github.com/firebase/firepad https://github.com/firebase/firepad [2] http://plnkr.co/edit/?p=streamer&s=TogetherJS http://plnkr.co/edit/?p=streamer&s=TogetherJS (Demo) [3] https://github.com/substack/stream-handbook#introduction https://github.com/substack/stream-handbook#introduction
- deliminator 13y agoWe provide wysiwyg editor integration (Aloha-Editor) with presence and remote cursor. We are working on a hosted/downloadable service with low-level data-sync api and high level wiki features: https://wikidocs.com https://wikidocs.com
- leephillips 13y agoI agree that it's cool and ambitious, but it seems to have a large intersection with Google Wave.
- jeswin 13y agoIt integrates with your existing UI, and not as a separate box like Wave or other plugins. I also like that this is free, open source and _from Mozilla_.
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- sequoia 13y agoLooks cool! I wonder how you'd negotiate authentication with this... both users logged in presumably, you could record edit author as whoever clicked the save button (or upon each action in a "real time" saving application).
- ianb 13y agoBoth people are accessing the website as themselves. If one person doesn't have permission to see a page, for instance, then they won't see it. And yeah, whoever hits save is the saver ;) Doing something richer than that requires application-specific integration, which we want to support, but we also want to take cues from developers about what that should actually look like. This is one idea we have along these lines: https://github.com/mozilla/togetherjs/issues/372 https://github.com/mozilla/togetherjs/issues/372
- infocollector 13y agoUsed to be called Tow Truck.
- 6ren 13y agoNB: unrelated to TogetherJ
- zerop 13y agoI want to implement a real time Collaboration editor like google docs because I want to keep data on my own servers.. Can anyone suggest me architectural points to build that...what should be stack on server side, how to send edit diffs etc..
- deliminator 13y agoHave a look at this: http://substance.io/ http://substance.io/ I'm working on something similar: https://wikidocs.com https://wikidocs.com. Although our's closed source at the moment (can't say whether or not it will remain closed), we will provide a downloadable package you can run yourself.
- marknutter 13y agogive http://etherpad.org/ http://etherpad.org/ a shot
- jamest 13y agoCheck out http://firepad.io http://firepad.io, it's an open source project that uses Firebase on the backend. You could use that as a starting point and then put together your own backend.
- simplify 13y agohttp://simperium.com/ http://simperium.com/ is exactly what you need. It serves as a real-time data layer; you can push/pull from it from the browser, and pull/push to it from your server too.
- mqzaidi 13y agoLooks like this would be great for customer support, and could be a nice alternative to olark. It can be configured to automatically post the invite url to another dashboard, where one of the CS execs can pick up and walk the user through.
- jonny_eh 13y agoSeems quite similar to GoInstant.
- jkeesh 13y agoThis looks fantastic. I just have a question for the author (+ Mozilla). Since this is a hosted service, I'm a bit reluctant to integrate it, because I'm not sure what we should expect from Mozilla on this project. Is this a cool open source project that will get support for a little and then fade away? Is this something that a team is really behind and is going to continue to support and extend? Is it expected that most people will just host their own version? (doesnt seem that hard to do, but there is a lot of appeal in not managing the server for this at all) If this was from a startup I would expect a free trial and then a pricing page that told me what happened if I had X # of users or Y # of requests, but without that info, it seems there is a lot of missing information. Does Mozilla just plan to keep it hosted indefinitely? Or how do you plan to handle users of different sizes? Our use case now is small, but in choosing to go with this tool (vs. Firebase or something else), the switching costs down the road are relevant. I'm planning to try it out in a small test either way, I'm just curious about more details on the mozilla-hosted version.
- davidascher 13y agoThe server is fairly trivial. It's mostly there to make it easy to try. If you want to host the server, go ahead (source is on github).
- pjgomez 13y agoAnother great project from Mozilla, congratulations. I'll definitely give it a try. Sorry to blow my own horn, but a few months ago we launched a similar project called Quolony https://quolony.com https://quolony.com (we are a small startup from Salamanca, Spain). Right now we are working as a free service and we plan to publish it as open-source in the next few months. People can use it individually using a browser extension or in whole sites including our library. We have avatars, synchronized text selection, private and public chats, persistence, cobrowsing, file transfers and a lot more. Some samples: https://quolony.com/demos/photomess/ https://quolony.com/demos/photomess/ (drag and drop) https://quolony.com/demos/quolony/developers/ https://quolony.com/demos/quolony/developers/ (shared demo) At the low level, we extend the browser event model to make it easier to use it in existing applications. I hope you guys can give it a try and tell me what you think. Kudos mozilla! [EDITED: fixed linked]
- fcatalan 13y agoI've been helping test Quolony for a while and the potential for this technology is great. In particular using it as a browser extension with the instant link sharing and cobrowsing gives those otherwise solitary web browsing sessions a certain feel of the metaverse that could be. As the meme goes, this puts Internet on your Internet.
- sequoia 13y agoTried to enter as "guest" exception 'Q\Exception' with message 'Invalid auth provider' in /data/quolony/1.1.beta.1785/code/lib/Quolony/q.core.php:2444 Stack trace: #0 [internal function]: Q\{closure}(Object(Q\Exception)) #1 {main}
- pjgomez 13y agoSorry about that :( we'll look into it
- amoreton 13y agoStill working to solve this, meanwhile you can enter as guest at https://quolony.com https://quolony.com and then visit https://quolony.com/demos/photomess/ https://quolony.com/demos/photomess/ or https://quolony.com/demos/quolony/developers/ https://quolony.com/demos/quolony/developers/
- Kiro 13y agoCan someone give me a use case for this?
- Sir_Cmpwn 13y agoI'm getting pretty tired of people releasing js libraries and not telling you that they depend on jQuery. You don't just add that script to your page, you add that script and jQuery to your page. Stop assuming everyone already has jQuery, guys.
- davidascher 13y agoFile a bug?
- kimar 13y agoWe recently built openmic.io to add sound annotation to pictures & websites. This pops up just as we started looking into real-time collaboration. I guess it validates the need for better in-context collaboration tools.
- FiloSottile 13y agoIt seems to me that this could be wrapped in a bookmarklet, to be able to use it on any website, no?
- AUmrysh 13y agoHere's a bookmarklet I threw together. You can go to the link given by someone else and then click the bookmarklet to join their session. It messes up if you change pages, though. Maybe there's a way to fix that. Pretty interesting that it maps reactive UI elements like bootstrap divs which resize properly! <a href="javascript:( function(){ var%20s=document.createElement('script'); s.setAttribute('src','https://togetherjs.com/togetherjs-min.js'); https://togetherjs.com/togetherjs-min.js'); document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0].appendChild(s); setTimeout(function(){ TogetherJS(this); }, 100); })();">LINK</a>
- smoothpooper 13y agoI could see it being used when creating support websites or customer care related websites. Anyone else has any ideas on where else can this be leveraged?
- zamalek 13y agoI gave this a go with a "thick-client-in-browser" app that we are writing here [1]. I had to hack the code a bit (e.g. remove the clickable class check in the event simulator) but I was shocked how well it dealt with this scenario and how little effort I had to put in. It's still a long way off from supporting this type of web page (e.g. dragging does not work, and would love to submit a PR if I only had the time to dig in more); but the almost-instant success with it was impressive. Good work Mozilla. [1] http://www.k2.com/displaycontent.aspx?id=5502 http://www.k2.com/displaycontent.aspx?id=5502 / http://www.formsondata.com/ http://www.formsondata.com/
- aroberge 13y agoThis is fantastic. I put two lines of code in my site designed to teach javascript programming http://reeborg.ca/learn_js_together.html http://reeborg.ca/learn_js_together.html and it appears to just work (based on a quick test which is all I could do for now). Well, except for a bug: when the robot finishes a program, a pop-up window normally appears to indicate if the task was done properly ... and it does not appear when TogetherJS is activated. To compare the version without, just remove "_together" from the URL.
- aroberge 13y agoActually, after testing some more, it does not work. jqueryUI dialogs are prevented to open (for one thing). And, since I change the url hash, it likely messes with the changes introduced by togetherJS ... which, currently, prevents it from working collaboratively. Still, neat idea - especially if I can get it to work.
- davidascher 13y agoPlease file github issues, this is the feedback the project needs.
- aroberge 13y agoDone.
- AUmrysh 13y agoDoes anyone know how this would handle an iframe? Could this potentially be 'injected' into a page using bookmarklets? edit: so, it doesn't handle iframes. Bookmarklets work but are buggy.