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The "Catholic values" you criticize and approve of are not "catholic". Forgive the pun. Edit: I see a way to read your statement as saying that Duquesne has a

by msg 13y ago

The "Catholic values" you criticize and approve of are not "catholic". Forgive the pun. Edit: I see a way to read your statement as saying that Duquesne has a twisted view of Catholic values. Which I could agree with. However there is another reading, not difficult to stumble into, where you are trying to make a general statement about Catholic values, which I could not agree with.

guard-of-terra 13y ago
This just proves that every Catholic is also a man (or woman) perfectly capable of sin and malice, and so we would be pretty happy if every single one of them would stop moralizing forever. Stop thinking that they are more right and more good just because; and behaving after that. Where can one unsubscribe from ever hearing of how religion tells us how to do good and from ever facing any religion-based opinion? Because I feel I still live in the medieval times when I do.
- msg 13y ago
  Hear my kind tone of voice encouraging you to engage. If you feel that hypocrisy gives you a free pass to avoid engaging with a very deep belief system with a philosophical head start on you of no less than centuries, and your capsule summary of the Roman Catholic church is "medieval" and "moralizing"... I would say you actually need more exposure to Catholicism, not less. Hypocrisy is a universal... so it is actually a horrible signal if you are trying to figure out what to believe. And Christianity at least has a history of facing this issue head on. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness." -- Jesus, in Matthew
  - guard-of-terra 13y ago
    I just don't see this head start preventing a single person from doing same mistakes. This belief system seems like brain busy work: it makes you occupied for some time but does not make you a better person any more that any reflection will do when you are ready. Add mythology to the mix and the system becomes net harmful. Regarding Jesus: I just don't see "common christian" variety sort of people care about Jesus. Yes they claim they "love" him, but they just aren't trying to understand who he was as a person and therefore gravitate to beliefs that would make him facepalm.

by msg 13y ago

guard-of-terra 13y ago

This just proves that every Catholic is also a man (or woman) perfectly capable of sin and malice, and so we would be pretty happy if every single one of them would stop moralizing forever. Stop thinking that they are more right and more good just because; and behaving after that. Where can one unsubscribe from ever hearing of how religion tells us how to do good and from ever facing any religion-based opinion? Because I feel I still live in the medieval times when I do.

msg 13y ago
Hear my kind tone of voice encouraging you to engage. If you feel that hypocrisy gives you a free pass to avoid engaging with a very deep belief system with a philosophical head start on you of no less than centuries, and your capsule summary of the Roman Catholic church is "medieval" and "moralizing"... I would say you actually need more exposure to Catholicism, not less. Hypocrisy is a universal... so it is actually a horrible signal if you are trying to figure out what to believe. And Christianity at least has a history of facing this issue head on. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness." -- Jesus, in Matthew
- guard-of-terra 13y ago
  I just don't see this head start preventing a single person from doing same mistakes. This belief system seems like brain busy work: it makes you occupied for some time but does not make you a better person any more that any reflection will do when you are ready. Add mythology to the mix and the system becomes net harmful. Regarding Jesus: I just don't see "common christian" variety sort of people care about Jesus. Yes they claim they "love" him, but they just aren't trying to understand who he was as a person and therefore gravitate to beliefs that would make him facepalm.