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I find this funny. IOS 7 is the same as IOS 6 except for a few re-arrangements of features and a new look. I feel like Mugato from Zoolander.. Am I taking crazy

by puma1 13y ago

I find this funny. IOS 7 is the same as IOS 6 except for a few re-arrangements of features and a new look. I feel like Mugato from Zoolander.. Am I taking crazy pills? Their all the same! Ios 6, 7.. iphone c.. s.. it's really the same thing with tiny changes. And everyone is reviewing them like they are new phones or new OS.

clauretano 13y ago
iPhones have existed for more than six years with largely the same UI style. While it may be mostly a reskin, iOS 7 is a dramatic departure from the circa-2007 style. Ars is known to every major release of iOS and OS X in this fashion, just as Anandtech reviews the new hardware in great detail.
poolpool 13y ago
iOS 7 changes the backgrounding model, which has been a giant point of contention since the app store was introduced, and also has a brand new facelift. It was also one of the main differentiators aside from data sharing between apps between iOS and android. It is not a trivial update technologically or a small update from a marketing and direction standpoint. It is also the first major OS update under Ive and Cook's direction. The phones are a minor update, as to be expected like every S release.
- puma1 13y ago
  poolpool. I get what your saying, but exactly what are you saying? Data sharing between apps between IOS and Android? Ive and Cook are just riding on concept from Jobs, there is nothing new here. If any other hardware vendor put out phones with this level of "same old" they would be burned for it. In the future people will look back at this Apple craze and laugh. Apple put out the iphone 5, with a new case and blogs are reviewing it! Are you kidding me? IOS 7 is the same damn OS as 6! Airdrop is nothing new feature wise. Almost every other feature has been out on other OSes for a long time. Apple struck gold in 2007.. and they been re-regurgitating since. Scared to wipe the slate because there will never be another Steve and they will never hit another winner like the initial iphone. But it's tired now. IOS 7 was supposed to be something different, and bottom line it's the same OS that consumes more battery and more resources. Whatever additional battery life they added to the iphone 5s hardware is cancelled out by the new requirements.
  - prehkugler 13y ago
    An interesting perspective. John Gruber does a much better job at refuting it here (under "Defining Innovation Down") than I ever could: http://daringfireball.net/2013/09/the_iphone_5s_and_5c http://daringfireball.net/2013/09/the_iphone_5s_and_5c
    - puma1 13y ago
      Interesting read, thanks for the link.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > The phones are a minor update, as to be expected like every S release. There have been two S releases prior to the 5S/5C release. The 3G->3GS was a bigger change to the phone than the iPhone->3G update. And the 4->4S update was a bigger change to the phone internals than the 3GS->4 update, though the display stayed the same. Really, all the S releases have been major phone updates, and of the non-S releases only the 4S->5 update was.
  - uncoder0 13y ago
    I disagree. Having owned all those phones; I felt the 3GS->4 was a much bigger update to the iPhone compared to 3G->3GS. The 4 introduced the retina display which was far more noticeable than the 3G to 3GS performance increase.
potatolicious 13y ago
> "I find this funny. IOS 7 is the same as IOS 6 except for a few re-arrangements of features and a new look." As someone who's spent the last 2 months porting code from iOS6 to iOS7, I disagree. The API changes (documented or otherwise...) are large enough that this really was more of a port than it was a simple update. It may look like simple rearrangement (I disagree with that assessment, but whatever), but under the hood a great deal has changed.
- puma1 13y ago
  If so that's great. But to the user who is looking at this OS, what do they know about this?
  - prehkugler 13y ago
    They don't know anything about it. But a lot of new APIs were made available to developers that will make great apps easier to make. I think that's better for users than a new OS toy.
  - potatolicious 13y ago
    There are a number of things: - You wouldn't expect Apple to change core apps like Phone dramatically. It's a very mature feature that isn't going anywhere and is practically identical on every smartphone. You get a numpad, you get your contacts list, your voicemail, etc. All of which has been given a new coat of paint, but fundamentally hasn't changed much. - You see deeper changes in the built-in apps that aren't quite as mature/core. There is for example a large change in UX in iOS to move away from hard, distracting transitions towards more subtle transitions that imply information hierarchy. For example if you tap on a date in a calendar, instead of hard-wiping you to another piece of UI altogether to show you appointments, it dynamically expands the day-view from the date itself. If you tap on an album in Photos it will dynamically expand that album to fill the screen with additional photos. All of this goes towards better educating the user on information hierarchy and is much, much less jarring than before. As a third party dev that's been working with Apple on iOS7 prep, I know for a fact that they're pushing this new UX hard - you will see more 3rd party apps go towards this model in the coming months. You see some uses of this in first-party apps, but users will notice most when 3rd parties start adopting this. - Many of the most substantial changes are under the hood and aren't being (visibly or ostentatiously) used in the stock apps, mostly because there really isn't a place for them. They will, however, power a new generation of apps in the coming months - things like a new backgrounding model will let apps do more while not in use, and also in some types of apps greatly reduce the loading/refresh time when you return to them. Or even more subtle things like dynamics, which will make scrolling feel very different in apps. In short, users will feel some of these changes immediately, but ultimately the deep changes in iOS won't be felt until third party dev adoption is there.
alayne 13y ago
"Let's see where Microsoft is vs where Apple is in 3 years. Apple has 0 innovation going on. OS X and IOS are stale as anything. They are riding on earlier success and eventually will fizzle out." -puma1
- puma1 13y ago
  bump. Again not a fanboy, just stating the blatant obvious. At least Microsoft tries and puts out something completely new.
  - rsynnott 13y ago
    Yes! All OS vendors should try new stuff, all the time, even if it's really awful!
    - puma1 13y ago
      That's not really fair. Some would say some fanboys think no matter what other companies do it is right away awful. MS did try the flat look.. looks like at least that caught on a little.
  - mixmastamyk 13y ago
    Why would you think we want something completely new?
    - puma1 13y ago
      I don't know who you mean by "we", but generally users expect something new with a new OS, new hardware, or basically anything with the word "new" in front of it. Apple didn't announce IOS 7 by calling it the next IOS, they called it the new IOS.
      - mixmastamyk 13y ago
        There's plenty new. Completely new would be a large step backwards... see Unity, Windows 8.
rimantas 13y ago
Tiny changes like going to 64 bits, UIKit Dynamics, Text Kit…

by puma1 13y ago

clauretano 13y ago

iPhones have existed for more than six years with largely the same UI style. While it may be mostly a reskin, iOS 7 is a dramatic departure from the circa-2007 style. Ars is known to every major release of iOS and OS X in this fashion, just as Anandtech reviews the new hardware in great detail.

poolpool 13y ago

iOS 7 changes the backgrounding model, which has been a giant point of contention since the app store was introduced, and also has a brand new facelift. It was also one of the main differentiators aside from data sharing between apps between iOS and android. It is not a trivial update technologically or a small update from a marketing and direction standpoint. It is also the first major OS update under Ive and Cook's direction. The phones are a minor update, as to be expected like every S release.

puma1 13y ago
poolpool. I get what your saying, but exactly what are you saying? Data sharing between apps between IOS and Android? Ive and Cook are just riding on concept from Jobs, there is nothing new here. If any other hardware vendor put out phones with this level of "same old" they would be burned for it. In the future people will look back at this Apple craze and laugh. Apple put out the iphone 5, with a new case and blogs are reviewing it! Are you kidding me? IOS 7 is the same damn OS as 6! Airdrop is nothing new feature wise. Almost every other feature has been out on other OSes for a long time. Apple struck gold in 2007.. and they been re-regurgitating since. Scared to wipe the slate because there will never be another Steve and they will never hit another winner like the initial iphone. But it's tired now. IOS 7 was supposed to be something different, and bottom line it's the same OS that consumes more battery and more resources. Whatever additional battery life they added to the iphone 5s hardware is cancelled out by the new requirements.
- prehkugler 13y ago
  An interesting perspective. John Gruber does a much better job at refuting it here (under "Defining Innovation Down") than I ever could: http://daringfireball.net/2013/09/the_iphone_5s_and_5c http://daringfireball.net/2013/09/the_iphone_5s_and_5c
  - puma1 13y ago
    Interesting read, thanks for the link.
dragonwriter 13y ago
> The phones are a minor update, as to be expected like every S release. There have been two S releases prior to the 5S/5C release. The 3G->3GS was a bigger change to the phone than the iPhone->3G update. And the 4->4S update was a bigger change to the phone internals than the 3GS->4 update, though the display stayed the same. Really, all the S releases have been major phone updates, and of the non-S releases only the 4S->5 update was.
- uncoder0 13y ago
  I disagree. Having owned all those phones; I felt the 3GS->4 was a much bigger update to the iPhone compared to 3G->3GS. The 4 introduced the retina display which was far more noticeable than the 3G to 3GS performance increase.

potatolicious 13y ago

> "I find this funny. IOS 7 is the same as IOS 6 except for a few re-arrangements of features and a new look." As someone who's spent the last 2 months porting code from iOS6 to iOS7, I disagree. The API changes (documented or otherwise...) are large enough that this really was more of a port than it was a simple update. It may look like simple rearrangement (I disagree with that assessment, but whatever), but under the hood a great deal has changed.

puma1 13y ago
If so that's great. But to the user who is looking at this OS, what do they know about this?
- prehkugler 13y ago
  They don't know anything about it. But a lot of new APIs were made available to developers that will make great apps easier to make. I think that's better for users than a new OS toy.
- potatolicious 13y ago
  There are a number of things: - You wouldn't expect Apple to change core apps like Phone dramatically. It's a very mature feature that isn't going anywhere and is practically identical on every smartphone. You get a numpad, you get your contacts list, your voicemail, etc. All of which has been given a new coat of paint, but fundamentally hasn't changed much. - You see deeper changes in the built-in apps that aren't quite as mature/core. There is for example a large change in UX in iOS to move away from hard, distracting transitions towards more subtle transitions that imply information hierarchy. For example if you tap on a date in a calendar, instead of hard-wiping you to another piece of UI altogether to show you appointments, it dynamically expands the day-view from the date itself. If you tap on an album in Photos it will dynamically expand that album to fill the screen with additional photos. All of this goes towards better educating the user on information hierarchy and is much, much less jarring than before. As a third party dev that's been working with Apple on iOS7 prep, I know for a fact that they're pushing this new UX hard - you will see more 3rd party apps go towards this model in the coming months. You see some uses of this in first-party apps, but users will notice most when 3rd parties start adopting this. - Many of the most substantial changes are under the hood and aren't being (visibly or ostentatiously) used in the stock apps, mostly because there really isn't a place for them. They will, however, power a new generation of apps in the coming months - things like a new backgrounding model will let apps do more while not in use, and also in some types of apps greatly reduce the loading/refresh time when you return to them. Or even more subtle things like dynamics, which will make scrolling feel very different in apps. In short, users will feel some of these changes immediately, but ultimately the deep changes in iOS won't be felt until third party dev adoption is there.

alayne 13y ago

"Let's see where Microsoft is vs where Apple is in 3 years. Apple has 0 innovation going on. OS X and IOS are stale as anything. They are riding on earlier success and eventually will fizzle out." -puma1

puma1 13y ago
bump. Again not a fanboy, just stating the blatant obvious. At least Microsoft tries and puts out something completely new.
- rsynnott 13y ago
  Yes! All OS vendors should try new stuff, all the time, even if it's really awful!
  - puma1 13y ago
    That's not really fair. Some would say some fanboys think no matter what other companies do it is right away awful. MS did try the flat look.. looks like at least that caught on a little.
- mixmastamyk 13y ago
  Why would you think we want something completely new?
  - puma1 13y ago
    I don't know who you mean by "we", but generally users expect something new with a new OS, new hardware, or basically anything with the word "new" in front of it. Apple didn't announce IOS 7 by calling it the next IOS, they called it the new IOS.
    - mixmastamyk 13y ago
      There's plenty new. Completely new would be a large step backwards... see Unity, Windows 8.

rimantas 13y ago

Tiny changes like going to 64 bits, UIKit Dynamics, Text Kit…