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Reimbursement of Exit Operators
- zacharydanger 13y agoI'm not sure there's _any_ amount of money they could give me that'd offset the risk of getting hit with a false-positive dawn raid.
- fiatmoney 13y agoHaving documentation on an official-looking letterhead that you're running an exit node may reduce the risk of such a thing happening.
- aspensmonster 13y agoOnly after the fact. Maybe.
- larrik 13y agoIt might help AFTER the raid, but probably wouldn't help prevent it.
- rwmj 13y agoIt'll give the police and the prosecutors a good laugh.
- greenyoda 13y agoWhich is why the Tor legal FAQ suggests that you shouldn't run an exit node from your home: https://www.torproject.org/eff/tor-legal-faq.html.en https://www.torproject.org/eff/tor-legal-faq.html.en
- ihsw 13y agoYou don't need to run it from your home to get a 5am visit from the local SWAT team.
- toomuchtodo 13y agoRun exit nodes from VMs in a country you don't live in, and run them entirely from ram.
- lambada 13y agoYou forgot to mention choosing a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty or similar with your own. So for me in the UK, it would rule out most of the EU and North America.
- toomuchtodo 13y agoI'm in the US; I'm probably going to jail just for talking about this /s
- omribaumer 13y agodoes this mean that TOR will have a close relationship with its exit operators? I dont like the sound of that...
- lambada 13y agoSee my top-level comment. TLDR: No, as The Tor Project has nothing to do with this announcement.
- IgorPartola 13y agoSo I rent a VPS in Egypt and provide an exit node there. I am as small time as it gets. Looks like this will not do anything at all for me since they are looking for very large players to provide exit nodes. I do like the idea of Tor becoming fast. It's painful to use currently. If someone like Netflix was to donate 1% of their bandwidth to Tor, things would look so much better.
- 616c 13y agoWhere do you get VPS hosting in Egypt? I am in the region and very interested to hear someone with experience in this, meaning VPS and providers not in Europe. My experience with friends and colleagues is a lot of the latter.
- IgorPartola 13y agohttp://citynethost.com/vps.asp http://citynethost.com/vps.asp They used to be a lot cheaper. I got mine for $2.50 off a lowendbox.com sale. It has not been super reliable through the turmoil in the region, so there were a few days of downtime for the VPS and the control panel/website. In other words don't rely on it to be your single point of failure, but for me it has worked well as a secondary machine.
- a2tech 13y agoI really want to run an exit node because I'm a firm believer in what the Tor network does-but I'm really worried about being arrested for running one. Does anyone have practical experience running a Tor exit node?
- sbierwagen 13y agoI ran an exit node on a mostly unused dedicated server for a while. I made the mistake of not limiting traffic to ports 80 and 443, and got a couple DMCA takedowns as a result of people torrenting stuff over tor, which caused the provider to cancel my contract. (I got all my files off first)
- devx 13y agoIt's really bad when out of all the reasons governments can shut down Tor nodes, it's DMCA's that do it. If DMCA's really have that much power, then their reform is long overdue.
- sp332 13y agoThe takedown system is one of the very few good parts of the DMCA. Without it, content owners could sue the host (like YouTube) instead of having to go after the uploader. As long as the host takes down the content, they are basically immune to copyright prosecution. As far as I can tell, you are not "required" to take down content when you get a DMCA notice. Refusing it just makes you liable for the content under the rest of copyright law.
- Dylan16807 13y agoIt's better than nothing, but it's severely flawed. There is zero disincentive for filing false claims.
- sp332 13y agoWhile it could certainly be improved, it does explicitly make false filers liable for damages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act#.C2.A7_512.28f.29_Misrepresentations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_L...
- sbierwagen 13y agoSummary: The total amount being handed out is $3500, to only six organizations right now. In order to qualify, you have to know this guy, and be providing Serious Bandwidth.
- anologwintermut 13y agoSo where does the NSA apply? (This is a joke, they don't need exit nodes to break Tor)
- ihsw 13y agoYou're right, they can piggyback off everybody else's exit node.
- jack-r-abbit 13y agoNote that since the total amount of $3500 will be handed out every month, as long as we have less than 6 entities signing the contract, each entity will receive their maximum share of 500 Euro. One of us interpreted that wrong then. I read it as "If we have less than 6 entities, each will get the max cap. More than that and each will get less than the cap." I didn't read anywhere that said how many entities have been contacted and how many are expected to sign the contract.
- sbierwagen 13y agoLook at https://www.torservers.net/misc/reimburse-output-2013-07.txt https://www.torservers.net/misc/reimburse-output-2013-07.txt That list only has six orgs on it. (Though it doesn't total up to 3500?)
- jack-r-abbit 13y agoYou might be right. That doc is described as: example report at [link] (not the correct numbers, but you'll get the idea).
- lambada 13y agoOutright incorrect headline. An independent organisation, with no official ties to The Tor Project is now going to start reimbursing other organisations who run exit nodes. Essentially helping to ensure a more diverse set of relay operators. This organisation previously directly took donations to run exit nodes themselves. That's problematic from a decentralisation point of view, so instead their going to use the donations to fund exit nodes run by others.
- lambada 13y agoWithin minutes of posting this comment the title has been silently edited to be more neutral. (Although still potentially misleading given the associated domain name). It originally read: Tor to start reimbursing exit node operators
- cdvonstinkpot 13y agoSo if I have a 15/5 dynamic IP home internet connection, could I make enough money to cover my connnection by running an exit node in a VM? Somehow I imagine a static IP would be needed. It sounds like since there's only $3k allotted for this, there wouldn't be enough to go around, even if my connection were technically feasible.
- sbierwagen 13y agoBandwidth in less heavily served countries is worth more. 10 Mbit in the US only gets you two euros a month: https://www.torservers.net/misc/reimburse-output-2013-07.txt https://www.torservers.net/misc/reimburse-output-2013-07.txt
- joshavant 13y agoDoes anybody know of a good VPS provider - overseas is fine, perhaps even preferable - that accepts Bitcoin, which I could run an exit node on? This lists Good/Bad ISPs, but a CMD+F for 'bitcoin' has 0 results: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISPs https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISP...
- __alexs 13y agoBytemark in the UK might accept it for this if you have a chat with them. They are ORG sponsors and generally seem to be on side over privacy and free speech issues.
- tghw 13y agoJust remember, Bitcoin is far from anonymous. In fact, it's pretty easy to track, unless you can source the coins anonymously.