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We are about to launch another war from our military bases in Germany. The fatherland's moral outrage is laughable.

by blackcat 13y ago

quantumpotato_ 13y ago
Explain?
- frank_boyd 13y ago
  The US justifying a war with "moral values".
- blackcat 13y ago
  Germany is enabling the US to continue with these ridiculous escapades by not closing US bases for some minuscule economic gain. If you believe these wars, Iraq, Afghanistan and soon Syria are terrible but want to keep the bases you are a hypocrite and either way as culpable for civilian deaths as any American. Many in Germany are upset about these wars, virtually none want to close the bases. Serious willful disconnect there.
  - D9u 13y ago
    I don't see too many Americans chomping at the bit in favor of US intervention in yet another nation which poses absolutely zero viable threat to the the USA. We're sick and tired of interventionist policy, since Korea, Viet Nam, etc, etc, etc. To hold American citizens culpable for the actions of the government which lies to us and spies upon us while claiming "Moral High Ground" is to ignore the fact that we are no longer informed, so the "consent of the governed" is no longer present.
    - pyre 13y ago
      > I don't see too many Americans chomping You must not get out much. There are a lot of Americans chomping at the bit to "stick it to those ragheads." It doesn't matter which Middle Eastern country, as long as we go over there and "kick some ass" against people that are different than us, they are 100% on-board.
  - primitur 13y ago
    The only way for Germany to close the US bases is for Germany to declare war on the US. Seriously! US bases in Germany are US territory ..
    - betterunix 13y ago
      Germany does not have to allow US airplanes or vehicles to travel through their country to and from those bases...
      - btilly 13y ago
        That strategy didn't work well for East Germany as a way of shutting down the US presence in Berlin.
        _ak 13y ago
        Actually, the US, the UK and France had contracts with the Soviets that guaranteed them access to Berlin by air. They didn't have correspnding contracts for access via streets and railways, though, that's why the Soviets could block food trucks but not the airlift. The contracts only allowed very specific air corridors (3, to be precise), which is one of the points why the airlift was so hard to implement at full capacity. The Allied forces had quite extensive rights in all the other sectors, and not just in Berlin. For example, military vehicles were considered extraterritorial, and had to be let in. And that's what the US and the UK did: they drove into East Germany and rather openly spied on Soviet troop movements and maneuvers.
      - _ak 13y ago
        The US will try anyway. Years ago, when the F-117 was still in use, the USAF would regularly acquire permits to fly cargo planes from Germany to Italy over Austria. What they then attempted was letting a F-117 fly really close to the cargo plane (Austria wouldn't allow foreign military planes through their airspace unless for very specific reasons) to try to get over the short way through Austria, as well. The Austrian Airforce found out about that, and intercepted and sent a few F-117s back to Germany.
    - 13y ago

We are about to launch another war from our military bases in Germany. The fatherland's moral outrage is laughable.

quantumpotato_ 13y ago

Explain?

frank_boyd 13y ago
The US justifying a war with "moral values".
blackcat 13y ago
Germany is enabling the US to continue with these ridiculous escapades by not closing US bases for some minuscule economic gain. If you believe these wars, Iraq, Afghanistan and soon Syria are terrible but want to keep the bases you are a hypocrite and either way as culpable for civilian deaths as any American. Many in Germany are upset about these wars, virtually none want to close the bases. Serious willful disconnect there.
- D9u 13y ago
  I don't see too many Americans chomping at the bit in favor of US intervention in yet another nation which poses absolutely zero viable threat to the the USA. We're sick and tired of interventionist policy, since Korea, Viet Nam, etc, etc, etc. To hold American citizens culpable for the actions of the government which lies to us and spies upon us while claiming "Moral High Ground" is to ignore the fact that we are no longer informed, so the "consent of the governed" is no longer present.
  - pyre 13y ago
    > I don't see too many Americans chomping You must not get out much. There are a lot of Americans chomping at the bit to "stick it to those ragheads." It doesn't matter which Middle Eastern country, as long as we go over there and "kick some ass" against people that are different than us, they are 100% on-board.
- primitur 13y ago
  The only way for Germany to close the US bases is for Germany to declare war on the US. Seriously! US bases in Germany are US territory ..
  - betterunix 13y ago
    Germany does not have to allow US airplanes or vehicles to travel through their country to and from those bases...
    - btilly 13y ago
      That strategy didn't work well for East Germany as a way of shutting down the US presence in Berlin.
      - _ak 13y ago
        Actually, the US, the UK and France had contracts with the Soviets that guaranteed them access to Berlin by air. They didn't have correspnding contracts for access via streets and railways, though, that's why the Soviets could block food trucks but not the airlift. The contracts only allowed very specific air corridors (3, to be precise), which is one of the points why the airlift was so hard to implement at full capacity. The Allied forces had quite extensive rights in all the other sectors, and not just in Berlin. For example, military vehicles were considered extraterritorial, and had to be let in. And that's what the US and the UK did: they drove into East Germany and rather openly spied on Soviet troop movements and maneuvers.
    - _ak 13y ago
      The US will try anyway. Years ago, when the F-117 was still in use, the USAF would regularly acquire permits to fly cargo planes from Germany to Italy over Austria. What they then attempted was letting a F-117 fly really close to the cargo plane (Austria wouldn't allow foreign military planes through their airspace unless for very specific reasons) to try to get over the short way through Austria, as well. The Austrian Airforce found out about that, and intercepted and sent a few F-117s back to Germany.
  - 13y ago