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"That 80% marketshare is not going anywhere anytime soon." Whatever helps you sleep at night.

by jmstout 13y ago

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betenoire 13y ago
PHP is unlikely to power the next start up. But I wouldn't be so cynical about it's success, especially in other segments of the web.
- wyck 13y ago
  Why not? , programmers might hate it but they don't always drive start-up direction. Getting something to market and being useful is just more important than semantics when you're facing a budget. Lots of start-ups started with PHP (foursquare, groupon, facebook, etc, etc) because of the minimal cost and the convenience offered by popularity. If it works out and they get funding they can spend all that sweet cash on whatever they prefer. Mobile apps and heavy REST services maybe not, but websites are still popular, and PHP is playing catch up for those services too.
  - betenoire 13y ago
    I don't disagree. I was responding to the sarcastic comment about PHP, not really trying to address using it for a start up. Our start up used it as well. It's not the sexiest or most fun environment, but it works and it's the devil I know.
    - janson0 13y ago
      This is my situation too. I mean, I know PHP and I know CodeIgniter. I have tons of already ready to deploy code based in those idioms, so why port everything to laravel? or Ruby? Maybe down the line or something... but not when speed matters.
      - eevee 13y ago
        Speed will always matter. You'll never find time to address technical debt; you have to make it.
      - porker 13y ago
        How about because CodeIgniter is one of the worst frameworks around, which provides little support for separation of concerns, avoiding spaghetti code and general maintainable programming practices. I spent the start of 2008 migrating an agency off CodeIgniter - it definitely improved their projects afterwards (developer training helped too, but not as much as a well-designed framework did for code reuse). What gets me is CodeIgniter is how I was writing PHP code back in 2003-2004, 4 years after picking up the language as a hobby. And people still think writing it like that is a good idea.
- smsm42 13y ago
  PHP is already powering hundreds of "next start ups".
- jmstout 13y ago
  Not being cynical about its incontrovertible success. I'm being cynical about the context of the statement -- Acquia is a company heavily invested in PHP / Drupal. What else would they want people to think? I guess it could all depend on your definition of 'anytime soon', but 5 years, 10 years from now, will PHP still drink 80% of the proverbial milkshake?

"That 80% marketshare is not going anywhere anytime soon." Whatever helps you sleep at night.

by jmstout 13y ago

"That 80% marketshare is not going anywhere anytime soon." Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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betenoire 13y ago

PHP is unlikely to power the next start up. But I wouldn't be so cynical about it's success, especially in other segments of the web.

wyck 13y ago
Why not? , programmers might hate it but they don't always drive start-up direction. Getting something to market and being useful is just more important than semantics when you're facing a budget. Lots of start-ups started with PHP (foursquare, groupon, facebook, etc, etc) because of the minimal cost and the convenience offered by popularity. If it works out and they get funding they can spend all that sweet cash on whatever they prefer. Mobile apps and heavy REST services maybe not, but websites are still popular, and PHP is playing catch up for those services too.
- betenoire 13y ago
  I don't disagree. I was responding to the sarcastic comment about PHP, not really trying to address using it for a start up. Our start up used it as well. It's not the sexiest or most fun environment, but it works and it's the devil I know.
  - janson0 13y ago
    This is my situation too. I mean, I know PHP and I know CodeIgniter. I have tons of already ready to deploy code based in those idioms, so why port everything to laravel? or Ruby? Maybe down the line or something... but not when speed matters.
    - eevee 13y ago
      Speed will always matter. You'll never find time to address technical debt; you have to make it.
    - porker 13y ago
      How about because CodeIgniter is one of the worst frameworks around, which provides little support for separation of concerns, avoiding spaghetti code and general maintainable programming practices. I spent the start of 2008 migrating an agency off CodeIgniter - it definitely improved their projects afterwards (developer training helped too, but not as much as a well-designed framework did for code reuse). What gets me is CodeIgniter is how I was writing PHP code back in 2003-2004, 4 years after picking up the language as a hobby. And people still think writing it like that is a good idea.
smsm42 13y ago
PHP is already powering hundreds of "next start ups".
jmstout 13y ago
Not being cynical about its incontrovertible success. I'm being cynical about the context of the statement -- Acquia is a company heavily invested in PHP / Drupal. What else would they want people to think? I guess it could all depend on your definition of 'anytime soon', but 5 years, 10 years from now, will PHP still drink 80% of the proverbial milkshake?