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52 points by bussetta 13y ago

tosbourn 13y ago
Obligatory link to http://howoldistheinter.net/ http://howoldistheinter.net/
basicallydan 13y ago
Well said, Jacques. There are too many angry, ranty, sensationalist accounts of why online surveillance is A Bad Thing, and you put it in a calm & rational way. I hope more people read this article and better understand the objections if they didn't already.
lazugod 13y ago
Does the Internet Archive project collect emails or cross any privacy lines? Will future Archive members be as benevolent? (Should I go read the Archive's website and find out for myself? Probably yes.)
- jacquesm 13y ago
  They don't collect email because that's behind a password protected access if it is web driven and presumably imap or pop if it isn't. So your emails are not stored by the IA. I don't speak on behalf of the archive nor am I in any way associated with it but from a technical point of view the archive crawlers simply do not have access to your emails. See the faq for lots more information: http://archive.org/about/faqs.php http://archive.org/about/faqs.php
currywurst 13y ago
"It’s been a bit of a slow realization for me, but I don’t actually want to be safe, I’d rather be free and unsafe." This, I believe, is the key tension in democracies. A majority of the constituents can be scared into compromises for "their security", not fully understanding what they are really giving up. A large number would rather "feel safe" than "feel free".
- lutusp 13y ago
  "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin
  - sp332 13y ago
    That's a much easier quote to throw around than "Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die or maybe "What is to be done? The answer is easy. It has always been easy. Stop saying 'not in my name' and start saying 'over my dead body'. That's what we did. It works. Do it." http://wlcentral.org/node/2818 http://wlcentral.org/node/2818
- oskarth 13y ago
  It's also a weak form of stating the difference between the two possibilities. In practice, "safe" often means "safe" and a slight possibility of being very unsafe (say, by being labelled a terrorist). Not to mention the (slight? inevitable?) possibility of future major abuse a la <pick-your-own-favourite-despot>.
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- Datsundere 13y ago
  I disagree with that statement. It's possible that he hasn't lost someone close in any kind of traumatic event that makes him so optimistic about it. Human nature compels people to want revenge or hatred towards say the same (religious) groups that the "terrorists" were from. This is very evident post 9/11. People hated muslims, destroyed their properties and discriminated them. I think it's not time to be so care free. We don't even understand the universe yet. Of course I don't want survellience, but there has to be a requirement for saftey, and yes if that means putting bad people behind bars and make society advance faster so that we can colonize other planets, and understand how everything works better. There needs to be more scientists and engineers not more thieves.

52 points by bussetta 13y ago

Obligatory link to http://howoldistheinter.net/ http://howoldistheinter.net/

Well said, Jacques. There are too many angry, ranty, sensationalist accounts of why online surveillance is A Bad Thing, and you put it in a calm & rational way. I hope more people read this article and better understand the objections if they didn't already.

lazugod 13y ago

Does the Internet Archive project collect emails or cross any privacy lines? Will future Archive members be as benevolent? (Should I go read the Archive's website and find out for myself? Probably yes.)

jacquesm 13y ago
They don't collect email because that's behind a password protected access if it is web driven and presumably imap or pop if it isn't. So your emails are not stored by the IA. I don't speak on behalf of the archive nor am I in any way associated with it but from a technical point of view the archive crawlers simply do not have access to your emails. See the faq for lots more information: http://archive.org/about/faqs.php http://archive.org/about/faqs.php

currywurst 13y ago

"It’s been a bit of a slow realization for me, but I don’t actually want to be safe, I’d rather be free and unsafe." This, I believe, is the key tension in democracies. A majority of the constituents can be scared into compromises for "their security", not fully understanding what they are really giving up. A large number would rather "feel safe" than "feel free".

lutusp 13y ago
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin
- sp332 13y ago
  That's a much easier quote to throw around than "Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die or maybe "What is to be done? The answer is easy. It has always been easy. Stop saying 'not in my name' and start saying 'over my dead body'. That's what we did. It works. Do it." http://wlcentral.org/node/2818 http://wlcentral.org/node/2818
oskarth 13y ago
It's also a weak form of stating the difference between the two possibilities. In practice, "safe" often means "safe" and a slight possibility of being very unsafe (say, by being labelled a terrorist). Not to mention the (slight? inevitable?) possibility of future major abuse a la <pick-your-own-favourite-despot>.
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Datsundere 13y ago
I disagree with that statement. It's possible that he hasn't lost someone close in any kind of traumatic event that makes him so optimistic about it. Human nature compels people to want revenge or hatred towards say the same (religious) groups that the "terrorists" were from. This is very evident post 9/11. People hated muslims, destroyed their properties and discriminated them. I think it's not time to be so care free. We don't even understand the universe yet. Of course I don't want survellience, but there has to be a requirement for saftey, and yes if that means putting bad people behind bars and make society advance faster so that we can colonize other planets, and understand how everything works better. There needs to be more scientists and engineers not more thieves.