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The UK should be kicked out of the EU. Until they learn how to behave.

by northwest 13y ago

k-mcgrady 13y ago
I'm pretty sure they'd see this as a reward.
- dbond 13y ago
  The public would, politicians not so much...
- Vivtek 13y ago
  Briefly.
rmc 13y ago
The UK was part of the EU during (most of the) 1970s and 80s, when there was numerous anti-terrorism laws and abuses in Northern Ireland.
- homeomorphic 13y ago
  The EU came to be in 1993 :)
  - rmc 13y ago
    Pedant. :P Yes the EU name was formed in 1993. But there was the EC or EEC before then, which was basically the same thing.
    - homeomorphic 13y ago
      As a citizen of a (current) EEC-non-EU member country a feel there's a huge difference. But yes, my comment was a bit pedantic :)
DrJokepu 13y ago
This is probably the worst idea I've read on HN this week. It's not just legally and politically impossible, it wouldn't solve the problem, it would have dire economic consequences, it would be grossly disproportionate and unfair and these kind of petty attempts at disciplining sovereign nations would only serve to politically destabilise Europe.
- claudius 13y ago
  Nah, it is actually a pretty good idea. It's high time for the EU to actually take a stance on civil liberties, human rights and the abolishment of these ‘anti-terrorism acts’. This will be a lot harder if there are people at the table working on their application as the 51st state. Furthermore, by cutting ties with the UK, both its financial and economical situation will be worsened, making for a loss of importance until it’s only an annoying island off the coast of France rather than the first waypoint to Canada or (in this case) Brazil.
  - waxjar 13y ago
    There are people living on that island that really don't deserve what you propose to do to them.
    - claudius 13y ago
      Then they should have voted for a different government. Sorry, but “there are people in a country with a democratic government that don’t deserve what their government brought upon them” is not a particularly good reason – and even then, I don’t think it’d hurt to allow immigration into Europe for a while, so there’s even a perspective for those that “really don’t deserve” the results of their (in)action.
      - waxjar 13y ago
        The people vote for law makers. The law makers produced a law which was abused by law enforcers. Law enforcers can't be voted for.

The UK should be kicked out of the EU. Until they learn how to behave.

k-mcgrady 13y ago

I'm pretty sure they'd see this as a reward.

dbond 13y ago
The public would, politicians not so much...
Vivtek 13y ago
Briefly.

rmc 13y ago

The UK was part of the EU during (most of the) 1970s and 80s, when there was numerous anti-terrorism laws and abuses in Northern Ireland.

homeomorphic 13y ago
The EU came to be in 1993 :)
- rmc 13y ago
  Pedant. :P Yes the EU name was formed in 1993. But there was the EC or EEC before then, which was basically the same thing.
  - homeomorphic 13y ago
    As a citizen of a (current) EEC-non-EU member country a feel there's a huge difference. But yes, my comment was a bit pedantic :)

DrJokepu 13y ago

This is probably the worst idea I've read on HN this week. It's not just legally and politically impossible, it wouldn't solve the problem, it would have dire economic consequences, it would be grossly disproportionate and unfair and these kind of petty attempts at disciplining sovereign nations would only serve to politically destabilise Europe.

claudius 13y ago
Nah, it is actually a pretty good idea. It's high time for the EU to actually take a stance on civil liberties, human rights and the abolishment of these ‘anti-terrorism acts’. This will be a lot harder if there are people at the table working on their application as the 51st state. Furthermore, by cutting ties with the UK, both its financial and economical situation will be worsened, making for a loss of importance until it’s only an annoying island off the coast of France rather than the first waypoint to Canada or (in this case) Brazil.
- waxjar 13y ago
  There are people living on that island that really don't deserve what you propose to do to them.
  - claudius 13y ago
    Then they should have voted for a different government. Sorry, but “there are people in a country with a democratic government that don’t deserve what their government brought upon them” is not a particularly good reason – and even then, I don’t think it’d hurt to allow immigration into Europe for a while, so there’s even a perspective for those that “really don’t deserve” the results of their (in)action.
    - waxjar 13y ago
      The people vote for law makers. The law makers produced a law which was abused by law enforcers. Law enforcers can't be voted for.