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This is just another technology connected with Microsoft that we should lament - right along with C#, Mono, Knockout, and TypeScript. Microsoft earned the ire o

by pixie_ 13y ago

This is just another technology connected with Microsoft that we should lament - right along with C#, Mono, Knockout, and TypeScript. Microsoft earned the ire of geeks everywhere in the 90s and it's a grudge many can't let go. Meanwhile you let Apple and Google steamroll you all by showing you what a real closed ecosystem monopoly really looks like. And you swallow it down because they do it all under the banner of 'open source.'

danmaz74 13y ago
"real closed ecosystem monopoly" you mean closed like Android, Chrome, Go, etc. etc.?
- pixie_ 13y ago
  And you swallow it down because they do it all under the banner of 'open source.'
  - danmaz74 13y ago
    It is not under the banner of 'open source'. It IS open source (just ask Amazon, for example).
    - pixie_ 13y ago
      Uhg, the point is these are all multi-billion dollar businesses that use open source in one way or another. The problem is the open source (hacker news) community pretty much auto-ignores/dislikes anything connected with Microsoft. It's juvenile.
      - danmaz74 13y ago
        It's not juvenile - as a matter of fact, I'm very wary of Microsoft's moves because I remember perfectly well just how greedy and shady Microsoft has been (especially during the nineties). In comparison, Google has been a much better citizen in the developers community. It too will succumb to the problems of gigantism and the pressure of "shareholder value" in the long run, but for now you really can't compare the credibility of Google's and Microsoft's open source programs.
        teamonkey 13y ago
        > especially during the nineties That was 20 years ago!
        danmaz74 13y ago
        That's exactly why I said it wasn't "juvenile" ;)
        sampk 13y ago
        It's getting better: http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-and-xamarin-getting-friendly-2013-7 http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-and-xamarin-getting...
mcintyre1994 13y ago
This makes absolutely no sense. Apple (iOS, OS X as examples) generally is a very closed ecosystem, though not a monopoly, and certainly don't operate under the banner of 'open source'. Google (Android, Chrome as examples) is a pretty open ecosystem, also not a monopoly, and actually is open source, no idea what "banner of 'open source'" means but they just are open source. On the flip side, there's no reason to hate everything Microsoft do, c# and Mono are great. Maybe people should get over dismissing anything open source that Microsoft do, but the rest of what you've said makes no sense.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > On the flip side, there's no reason to hate everything Microsoft do, c# and Mono are great. Microsoft didn't do Mono, it did .NET which Mono cloned in a form supported on a wider variety of platforms.
  - pixie_ 13y ago
    Mono is pretty much ostracized from the open source community along with many open source C# projects. Remember the whole ordeal about including Mono in Ubuntu?
  - mcintyre1994 13y ago
    Fair enough, I've never looked into it and he gave it as an example of a Microsoft project.
Tloewald 13y ago
Don't really have a problem with Microsoft releasing open source libraries showcasing their support for open source technology. Yes, it's late for MS to be coming to Jesus er Stallman, but that's what you do when you're playing catchup.
peterashford 13y ago
I've invested in a number of MS technologies only to have them discontinued or changed in a way that broke my code. This has happened a number of times. On the other hand, my OpenGL, C and Java code still all works. There's a lot of reason to not use MS technologies even if you do like MS.

by pixie_ 13y ago

danmaz74 13y ago

"real closed ecosystem monopoly" you mean closed like Android, Chrome, Go, etc. etc.?

pixie_ 13y ago
And you swallow it down because they do it all under the banner of 'open source.'
- danmaz74 13y ago
  It is not under the banner of 'open source'. It IS open source (just ask Amazon, for example).
  - pixie_ 13y ago
    Uhg, the point is these are all multi-billion dollar businesses that use open source in one way or another. The problem is the open source (hacker news) community pretty much auto-ignores/dislikes anything connected with Microsoft. It's juvenile.
    - danmaz74 13y ago
      It's not juvenile - as a matter of fact, I'm very wary of Microsoft's moves because I remember perfectly well just how greedy and shady Microsoft has been (especially during the nineties). In comparison, Google has been a much better citizen in the developers community. It too will succumb to the problems of gigantism and the pressure of "shareholder value" in the long run, but for now you really can't compare the credibility of Google's and Microsoft's open source programs.
      - teamonkey 13y ago
        > especially during the nineties That was 20 years ago!
        danmaz74 13y ago
        That's exactly why I said it wasn't "juvenile" ;)
      - sampk 13y ago
        It's getting better: http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-and-xamarin-getting-friendly-2013-7 http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-and-xamarin-getting...

mcintyre1994 13y ago

This makes absolutely no sense. Apple (iOS, OS X as examples) generally is a very closed ecosystem, though not a monopoly, and certainly don't operate under the banner of 'open source'. Google (Android, Chrome as examples) is a pretty open ecosystem, also not a monopoly, and actually is open source, no idea what "banner of 'open source'" means but they just are open source. On the flip side, there's no reason to hate everything Microsoft do, c# and Mono are great. Maybe people should get over dismissing anything open source that Microsoft do, but the rest of what you've said makes no sense.

dragonwriter 13y ago
> On the flip side, there's no reason to hate everything Microsoft do, c# and Mono are great. Microsoft didn't do Mono, it did .NET which Mono cloned in a form supported on a wider variety of platforms.
- pixie_ 13y ago
  Mono is pretty much ostracized from the open source community along with many open source C# projects. Remember the whole ordeal about including Mono in Ubuntu?
- mcintyre1994 13y ago
  Fair enough, I've never looked into it and he gave it as an example of a Microsoft project.

Tloewald 13y ago

Don't really have a problem with Microsoft releasing open source libraries showcasing their support for open source technology. Yes, it's late for MS to be coming to Jesus er Stallman, but that's what you do when you're playing catchup.

peterashford 13y ago

I've invested in a number of MS technologies only to have them discontinued or changed in a way that broke my code. This has happened a number of times. On the other hand, my OpenGL, C and Java code still all works. There's a lot of reason to not use MS technologies even if you do like MS.