> humans actually evolved to go at lengths to punish anybody who does defect They might have initially, but I'll make the argument that probably since the dawn

> humans actually evolved to go at lengths to punish anybody who does defect They might have initially, but I'll make the argument that probably since the dawn of agriculture, and the generation of large societal surpluses, evolution has been pushing humanity towards defection. I think recent experience in the US shows quite clearly that votes don't really matter, only money does. Moreover votes can be manufactured through the media (money).