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I don't think they're shutting down over this warrant. This warrant doesn't seem to be related to Snowden as it was executed on March 28 - http://ia800908.us.ar

I don't think they're shutting down over this warrant. This warrant doesn't seem to be related to Snowden as it was executed on March 28 - http://ia800908.us.archive.org/9/items/gov.uscourts.mdd.236204/gov.uscourts.mdd.236204.4.0.pdf http://ia800908.us.archive.org/9/items/gov.uscourts.mdd.2362... Snowden's expose didn't happen until April/May It seems a case about Child Pornography - http://ia800908.us.archive.org/9/items/gov.uscourts.mdd.236204/gov.uscourts.mdd.236204.3.0.pdf http://ia800908.us.archive.org/9/items/gov.uscourts.mdd.2362... A Gag order would have come with a National Security related incident

nilved 13y ago
Why does it need to be about Snowden? We haven't even verified that he actually owned an account.
- mahmud 13y ago
  Giving up the private details of a pedophile is not "to become complicit in crimes against the American people", which is what the Lavabits letter stated. So it's natural for us to infer something relating to the Snowden revelations.
  - nilved 13y ago
    Says you. That could be exactly what he meant.
- devilsenigma 13y ago
  He most likely did: >> Snowden invited rights workers to a July meeting from the address "edsnowden@lavabit.com," according to a human rights specialist who attended the meeting http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/8/4602966/email-service-used-by-edward-snowden-abruptly-shuts-down-to-avoid http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/8/4602966/email-service-used-...
- intslack 13y ago
  Greenwald verified it: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/365560955746267137 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/365560955746267137
mahmud 13y ago
Yep. Does this submission intend to discredit Lavabit's decision to shutdown? Looks a bit.. disinfo-ish, but I'd rather give the submitter benefit of the doubt.
- lwf 13y ago
  That was not my intention. I just came across it and thought it was an interesting find. Despite being completed on 10 June, it was just uploaded earlier today.
gaadd33 13y ago
If you notice this does have a gag order attached to it, specifically item 31 in the link you provided. Gag orders aren't just for NSLs.
- grobertson 13y ago
  Exactly. This request specifically asks for protection under 2705(b) which grants a limited gag for up to 90 days if the publication of the warrant execution could lead to destruction of evidence or flight from prosecution. The power granted under 2705(b) last only 90 days and must be reauthorized if it is to be extended. The scary thing about an NSL is that there is no automatic time limit to the gag order it creates, and due process to request the gag to be lifted is severely limited. In other words, not only don't we know about the NSLs issued, we don't even know when we might get a chance to know about them which makes any oversight of their use practically impossible.

nilved 13y ago

Why does it need to be about Snowden? We haven't even verified that he actually owned an account.

mahmud 13y ago
Giving up the private details of a pedophile is not "to become complicit in crimes against the American people", which is what the Lavabits letter stated. So it's natural for us to infer something relating to the Snowden revelations.
- nilved 13y ago
  Says you. That could be exactly what he meant.
devilsenigma 13y ago
He most likely did: >> Snowden invited rights workers to a July meeting from the address "edsnowden@lavabit.com," according to a human rights specialist who attended the meeting http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/8/4602966/email-service-used-by-edward-snowden-abruptly-shuts-down-to-avoid http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/8/4602966/email-service-used-...
intslack 13y ago
Greenwald verified it: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/365560955746267137 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/365560955746267137

mahmud 13y ago

Yep. Does this submission intend to discredit Lavabit's decision to shutdown? Looks a bit.. disinfo-ish, but I'd rather give the submitter benefit of the doubt.

lwf 13y ago
That was not my intention. I just came across it and thought it was an interesting find. Despite being completed on 10 June, it was just uploaded earlier today.

gaadd33 13y ago

If you notice this does have a gag order attached to it, specifically item 31 in the link you provided. Gag orders aren't just for NSLs.

grobertson 13y ago
Exactly. This request specifically asks for protection under 2705(b) which grants a limited gag for up to 90 days if the publication of the warrant execution could lead to destruction of evidence or flight from prosecution. The power granted under 2705(b) last only 90 days and must be reauthorized if it is to be extended. The scary thing about an NSL is that there is no automatic time limit to the gag order it creates, and due process to request the gag to be lifted is severely limited. In other words, not only don't we know about the NSLs issued, we don't even know when we might get a chance to know about them which makes any oversight of their use practically impossible.