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Did you not have a lawyer to represent you?

by hyborg787 13y ago

thinkcomp 13y ago
Lawyers are a waste of money.
- DanBC 13y ago
  Would you have said that if a lawyer had won the case?
  - thinkcomp 13y ago
    Of course. Lawyers are an enormous waste of money and in most circumstances a drain on society.
    - larrys 13y ago
      You say "Lawyers are a waste of money" and "Lawyers are an enormous waste of money and in most circumstances a drain on society." But you also say: "No one, on this forum or otherwise, is in any position to evaluate whether or not someone else truly might need a lawyer. Every case tends to be full of nuance." Why the absolute statement as well as the contradiction if in fact you believe that "No one, on this forum or otherwise, is in any position to evaluate whether or not someone else truly might need a lawyer."
      - tokenizerrr 13y ago
        Because they're a waste of money, but because it's part of the system some people still need them?
- markdown 13y ago
  Famous last words.
- meddlepal 13y ago
  Except when you actually need one... Which it sounds like you did. The facebook lawyers probably didn't bother responding because they knew you had almost no teeth.
  - thinkcomp 13y ago
    No one, on this forum or otherwise, is in any position to evaluate whether or not someone else truly might need a lawyer. Every case tends to be full of nuance. In my case, you have a history with the plaintiff/opposer, some part of which is confidential, someone who just spent a year as a fellow at Stanford Law School, and who has worked with probably thirty lawyers on various cases, including several trademark cases in the past. I got a motion for sanctions against Facebook's lawyers granted in part, as well as a motion reversing their redaction choices. Granted, I didn't win, but I might not have expected to going in, and it shows at the very least that I'm not your average pro se plaintiff.
    - rickhanlonii 13y ago
      I think people either really overestimate the abilities of lawyers, or underestimate a persons ability to learn and understand the law and legal process themselves. Yes, good lawyers are valuable and cannot be underestimated. But let's not be fooled to think that some C student lawyer who limped though the Bar is any more capable than someone with passion and intellect devoted to a specific case or issue.
    - meddlepal 13y ago
      Good points but I think I would still err on the side of hiring a good lawyer in that situation or if I was giving advice to the average entrepreneur. Thanks for the response.
  - chime 13y ago
    thinkcomp is Aaron Greenspan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook#Aaron_Greenspan_and_houseSYSTEM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook#Aaron_Gre...
- messick 13y ago
  And yet, the side with the lawyers won the case. Funny how that works.

Did you not have a lawyer to represent you?

thinkcomp 13y ago

Lawyers are a waste of money.

DanBC 13y ago
Would you have said that if a lawyer had won the case?
- thinkcomp 13y ago
  Of course. Lawyers are an enormous waste of money and in most circumstances a drain on society.
  - larrys 13y ago
    You say "Lawyers are a waste of money" and "Lawyers are an enormous waste of money and in most circumstances a drain on society." But you also say: "No one, on this forum or otherwise, is in any position to evaluate whether or not someone else truly might need a lawyer. Every case tends to be full of nuance." Why the absolute statement as well as the contradiction if in fact you believe that "No one, on this forum or otherwise, is in any position to evaluate whether or not someone else truly might need a lawyer."
    - tokenizerrr 13y ago
      Because they're a waste of money, but because it's part of the system some people still need them?
markdown 13y ago
Famous last words.
meddlepal 13y ago
Except when you actually need one... Which it sounds like you did. The facebook lawyers probably didn't bother responding because they knew you had almost no teeth.
- thinkcomp 13y ago
  No one, on this forum or otherwise, is in any position to evaluate whether or not someone else truly might need a lawyer. Every case tends to be full of nuance. In my case, you have a history with the plaintiff/opposer, some part of which is confidential, someone who just spent a year as a fellow at Stanford Law School, and who has worked with probably thirty lawyers on various cases, including several trademark cases in the past. I got a motion for sanctions against Facebook's lawyers granted in part, as well as a motion reversing their redaction choices. Granted, I didn't win, but I might not have expected to going in, and it shows at the very least that I'm not your average pro se plaintiff.
  - rickhanlonii 13y ago
    I think people either really overestimate the abilities of lawyers, or underestimate a persons ability to learn and understand the law and legal process themselves. Yes, good lawyers are valuable and cannot be underestimated. But let's not be fooled to think that some C student lawyer who limped though the Bar is any more capable than someone with passion and intellect devoted to a specific case or issue.
  - meddlepal 13y ago
    Good points but I think I would still err on the side of hiring a good lawyer in that situation or if I was giving advice to the average entrepreneur. Thanks for the response.
- chime 13y ago
  thinkcomp is Aaron Greenspan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook#Aaron_Greenspan_and_houseSYSTEM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook#Aaron_Gre...
messick 13y ago
And yet, the side with the lawyers won the case. Funny how that works.