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Like the majority of people, I oppose gay marriage. But what the British government did with chemical castration to Alan Turing and others is absolutely reprehe
by eeky 13y ago
Like the majority of people, I oppose gay marriage. But what the British government did with chemical castration to Alan Turing and others is absolutely reprehensible - and they should pardon all of them. Let's not conflate these issues please.
- rmc 13y ago> Like the majority of people, I oppose gay marriage. That is factually incorrect. The majority of the population support marriage equality.
- TylerE 13y agoDepends on how you define population. If I were to gamble on it, I would expect a (rather high) margin in opposition, with support rates highly correlated to education levels.
- dllthomas 13y agoMajority of which population?
- eeky 13y agoMajority of people - so the world population.
- dllthomas 13y agoYeah, I understood that's what you were talking about, from other comments - I was wondering which rmc was speaking of. As to world population, I'm not sure you're correct (but also not at all sure you're incorrect). Yes, Russia and much of Africa and certainly the Middle East can be assumed to be majority opposed, but I'm not sure about Asian countries and that's a lot of people. Much of the west is obviously trending against you.
- eeky 13y agoYeah it could shift eventually, big countries like Brazil have recently supported same-sex marriage at the federal level.
- nknighthb 13y ago> Like the majority of people, I oppose gay marriage. From your past comments, you appear to be American. I am therefore ecstatic to inform you that you are in the minority. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/support-for-gay-marriage-outweighs-opposition-in-polls/ http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/support-...
- eeky 13y agoI said majority of people, not Americans. My statement stands correct. Look at what other countries have done to recently stem gay culture: Russia recently passed a unanimous (436-0) vote which banned gay propaganda[1]. Homosexuals acceptance is pushed hard in the western media, but don't let that skew your worldview. Reactionary responses are not uncommon. [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/11/russia-law-banning-gay-propaganda http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/11/russia-law-banni...
- autodidakto 13y agoWhen in a hole, stop digging.
- jackmaney 13y agoSo, how are things waaaay over there on the wrong side of history?
- eeky 13y agoYou keep arguing with logical fallacies, but I'll respond anyway. Russia is doing quite well and just became the 5th largest economy[1]. They also have a news station (Russia Today) which reports on real issues - unlike western "mainstream" media. You act as if Russia is some backwater slump and not a growing modern nation. Meanwhile the western world is teetering into bankruptcy. You won't know which side of history is right until it actually becomes history. [1] http://rt.com/business/russia-gdp-5th-largest-158/ http://rt.com/business/russia-gdp-5th-largest-158/
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- ealexhudson 13y agoThis has nothing to do with marriage, and the punishment wasn't the worst factor.
- lysol 13y agoNo, let's. If homosexuals should be allowed to experience their sexuality than why not permit them to fulfill their emotional, romantic, and other needs? It's such an artificial line to draw and we certainly can discuss both gay marriage and the legality of homosexuality in the same discussion.
- eeky 13y agoThe problem arises that the legality of marriage was designed around traditional families. There's nothing that stops homosexuals from fulfilling their emotional, romantic, and other needs. But when you involved tax deductions because children are such an expensive commitment, it gets hairy. I do support civil unions (but not gay adoption), and I am tolerant of gays (I discuss these issues with friends who are gay), but to change the very definition of marriage goes too far - and ends up confusing everyone.
- jackmaney 13y agoYou do realize that if the definition of marriage had never changed, then interracial marriages would still be illegal, right?
- tome 13y agoTo be fair, that's a rather US-centric viewpoint. Interracial marriage was not ever (as far as I am aware; I may be wrong) forbidden in the UK, for example.
- dragonwriter 13y agoIf the definition of marriage had never changed from biblical times, polygamy would still be legal. If the definition of marriage had never changed from the 19th century, married women owning separate property wouldn't be legal. If the definition of marriage hadn't changed from what is one in any particular time and place in the past leading up to modern marriage laws, either much broader or much narrower restrictions on consanguinity would exist. Marriage laws change all the time, and understanding of the relationships underlying marriage on which those laws are based also change all the time. Sure, same-sex marriage is a change -- but lots of other things that we consider fairly firmly entrenched in our idea of marriages were themselves changes, some fairly recent, to pre-existing models of marriage. The whole idea that there is some single "traditional" model of marriage that has been static for an extended period of time and which is now threatened by same-sex marriage is ludicrous.
- jackmaney 13y agoHow many points of karma does it take to unlock the ability to downvote?
- ihsw 13y ago500, although that may change in the future.
- jackmaney 13y agoYeesh. I have a long way to go, then.
- eeky 13y agoIt helps if you contribute factual and useful information instead of trite emotional attacks.
- MMXII 13y agoWhy does it matter what the majority of people think?
- jlgreco 13y agoIt doesn't, though he is not even right. Bigots like him are thankfully a dying breed (literally, if you are a fan of Max Planck) in this country.
- eeky 13y agoHow do you know I'm not right? Do you provide any evidence? Also what is your obsession with calling me a bigot, when I'm open to dialogue. You are the one who is glad that I'm a "dying breed", so I would say you're the bigot. Also, if you want to talk about literally being a dying breed, I would think homosexuals who do not have children fit that definition better. Also, I'm 19 years old. Much how there was a reactionary swing to the left in the 1960/70's, there could very well be a reactionary swing back to the right that is emerging. (I'm using the archaic "left/right" metaphors just for sake of argument)
- Karunamon 13y ago>You are the one who is glad that I'm a "dying breed", so I would say you're the bigot. Ah, the old "tolerance means accepting intolerance" card. Nope, totally haven't heard that tired old fallacy from the far right ever before. >Also, if you want to talk about literally being a dying breed, I would think homosexuals who do not have children fit that definition better. Irrelevant. If your grounds for opposing marriage equality are on purely biological grounds, you must also oppose all forms of birth control and support compulsory reproduction for married couples. I had a more conciliatory message here a moment ago. I'm just now noticing that you're not even bothering to respond to the messages that completely disprove your points (i.e. "traditional marriage" is a nebulous term that means whatever its speaker is advocating for), so it is my full belief that you are just a troll.
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- EllaMentry 13y agoVery, very few things get my blood boiling.... It is people like you who I make it my mission to fight against every single day. It is people like you who feel so insecure that you have to force your ill-conceived morality on everyone. It is people like you who completely misunderstand psychology, sociology and biology and insist upon strict gender binary. Which you then think justifies your one man one women bullshit. It is people like you who would prevent me from marrying my beautiful girlfriend - thankfully I like in a more developed, forward thinking country. It is people like you who would prevent me and my girlfriend from adopting children, despite the fact our household income is 4 times the national average and both of use would be loving stable parents with plenty of time off to take care of our children. Thankfully we like in a more developed country. It is people like you that are the reason that I and several other people refuse to accept promotions or jobs that would require relocation to backwater countries like the USA. It is people like you who one day history will see as pathetic and backwards. Let me be absolutely clear on this. I hate you. I will never forgive you for what you have said and done. And I will do everything in my power to ensure you and people like you can never force your bullshit beliefs on me or anybody else. There have been too many murders, assaults, suicides and lost childhoods because of people like you. The human race doesn't want you or need you. Have a nice day.