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I know I can select a webmail provider that is not beholden to the United States of America's government. If you think Google is the only company that can secu

I know I can select a webmail provider that is not beholden to the United States of America's government. If you think Google is the only company that can secure webmail, I bet you are an employee.

uxwtf 13y ago
Has anybody considered compiling and using Zimbra for himself ;) ?
tptacek 13y ago
If you really bet that, it says more about you than me. But anyways: what does it matter if your webmail provider isn't beholden to the government, if a suitably motivated teenager can read your mail because of software vulnerabilities? Google Mail isn't likely to be more secure just because Google is inherently better at building software than anyone else. Rather, it's because they allocate more resources to the problem of keeping Google Mail secure than any other mail provider does (or even can) allocate to their security.
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- lifeguard 13y ago
  False equivocation. A script kiddie is not the same as a three letter agency funded by a first world government.
  - tptacek 13y ago
    First, I don't think "equivocation" means what you think it means. Second, the equivalence isn't false. The Venn diagram of sites that can be compromised by script kiddies is entirely contained by that of sites that can be compromised by NSA.
    - lifeguard 13y ago
      You are equivocating the NSA and script kiddies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
shiven 13y ago
I know I can select a webmail provider that is not beholden to the United States of America's government. Please do tell which one? And why you are sure they are not beholden to a government?
- lifeguard 13y ago
  http://dir.yahoo.com/regional/countries/switzerland/business_and_economy/business_to_business/communications_and_networking/internet_and_world_wide_web/network_service_providers/internet_service_providers__isps_/ http://dir.yahoo.com/regional/countries/switzerland/business...

I know I can select a webmail provider that is not beholden to the United States of America's government. If you think Google is the only company that can secure webmail, I bet you are an employee.

uxwtf 13y ago

Has anybody considered compiling and using Zimbra for himself ;) ?

tptacek 13y ago

If you really bet that, it says more about you than me. But anyways: what does it matter if your webmail provider isn't beholden to the government, if a suitably motivated teenager can read your mail because of software vulnerabilities? Google Mail isn't likely to be more secure just because Google is inherently better at building software than anyone else. Rather, it's because they allocate more resources to the problem of keeping Google Mail secure than any other mail provider does (or even can) allocate to their security.

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lifeguard 13y ago
False equivocation. A script kiddie is not the same as a three letter agency funded by a first world government.
- tptacek 13y ago
  First, I don't think "equivocation" means what you think it means. Second, the equivalence isn't false. The Venn diagram of sites that can be compromised by script kiddies is entirely contained by that of sites that can be compromised by NSA.
  - lifeguard 13y ago
    You are equivocating the NSA and script kiddies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

shiven 13y ago

I know I can select a webmail provider that is not beholden to the United States of America's government. Please do tell which one? And why you are sure they are not beholden to a government?

lifeguard 13y ago
http://dir.yahoo.com/regional/countries/switzerland/business_and_economy/business_to_business/communications_and_networking/internet_and_world_wide_web/network_service_providers/internet_service_providers__isps_/ http://dir.yahoo.com/regional/countries/switzerland/business...