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I'm aware that many people don't use ORMs and feel they cause more problems than they solve. However, I'm struggling to think of a popular web framework in any

I'm aware that many people don't use ORMs and feel they cause more problems than they solve. However, I'm struggling to think of a popular web framework in any language that doesn't include or suggest a specific ORM. So out of curiosity, when you do web development, do you use an ORM-less framework, or do you simply not use the ORM that's included/recommended?

wheaties 13y ago
Unfiltered of Scalable does not thankfully ship with one. Flask of Python does not ship with one. Want more?
arnorhs 13y ago
As a random example, most node.js frameworks don't ship with one. Including the most popular one, Express.