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You're all part of the show[1]. (Would You Kindly Remember Which Tech Teams Ran the Obama Campaign? And their connection to Reddit?) You have no idea how preda

You're all part of the show[1]. (Would You Kindly Remember Which Tech Teams Ran the Obama Campaign? And their connection to Reddit?) You have no idea how predatory you need to be to face Power down, and a sponsored Face Book / Reddit protest is not your friend. $100k donations - to whom? People forging careers in Social Media Shaping (or as us old timers like to call it, propaganda[2]) and so on? This is a serious warning (and I fully expect a ban, or "down votes" for this, given the political alignment of HN): you need to be hard, sharp, fast, ruthless and enjoy blood sports to get into this game. I suspect most of you are not: and the people "running" this campaign via Reddit / Face Book are really not your friends[3]. And since we are living in a time where a Face Book "threat" from a teenager can get you prison time, I'll merely give you a quotation from a science FICTION novel (not even a real political theorist, they're dangerous / now under the "banned" list in America): "The personal, as everyone’s so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here – it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide from under it with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way, you stand a better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous marks the difference - the only difference in their eyes - between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it’s just business, it’s politics, it’s the way of the world, it’s a tough life and that it’s nothing personal. Well, fuck them. Make it personal.” ~ Altered Carbon, Richard Morgan. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQEDojPZ7YI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQEDojPZ7YI [2]http://www.propagandatheory.com/history-of-propaganda/french-revolution/propaganda-of-the-french-revolution-satire-from-england http://www.propagandatheory.com/history-of-propaganda/french... [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4pIXQvxMeA&list=PLA62577633C7A7089 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4pIXQvxMeA&list=PLA62577633...

bendoernberg 13y ago
I'm co-organizing the NYC group, and I've been on the national conference calls for the past few days. Can't speak for others, but I'd be happy to sit down with you or anyone else and talk about what we're doing, what the goals are, and assure you that I'm not a shadowy social media shaper.
- Helpful_Bunny 13y ago
  If you're operating in NYC, what is your strategy visa vie NYPD and the $150,000,000 Wall St. TIA system in place[1] [and no, don't attempt to discredit the source, I simply will not post the sensitive documents / location pictures on HN of all places] Do you have a permit? Are you aware of the surveillance you'll be under, and have you informed all participants that they will be logged into a surveillance system? Are you aware that all of your correspondence has already been logged, monitored and Gold / Silver / Bronze Police teams are now running models to negate your impact? [run a search on the papers if you need to understand how modern policing works, the USA is a bit tight-arsed about it, look for the EU white papers, they're much more accessible without being illegal] Are you aware that traffic and city wide electronic signals will be modified throughout your "march" to control flows? And so on. If the answer to any of these is "no", then you need to Wise The Fuck Up. Predators don't play nice. There's a reason they get to be on balconies with champagne laughing at you, and it isn't "luck". It's called home-game-advantage and owning-the-Power-Structures. If you're unaware of any of this, you're dog-food. And the Police certainly are the dogs here. Bottom line: No one important gives a FUCK about your 4th amendment rights. And that's just the truth of it. [Hint: MLK, see what happened to him, and that was a long time ago, "bro"] [1]http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/06/wall-streets-secret-spy-center-run-for-the-1-by-nypd/ http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/06/wall-streets-secret-s...
  - antoko 13y ago
    You know its just a peaceful protest to show support for the 4th amendment, right? Its not a call for armed insurrection. I think you need to Chill the fuck out.
  - Helpful_Bunny 13y ago

bendoernberg 13y ago

I'm co-organizing the NYC group, and I've been on the national conference calls for the past few days. Can't speak for others, but I'd be happy to sit down with you or anyone else and talk about what we're doing, what the goals are, and assure you that I'm not a shadowy social media shaper.

Helpful_Bunny 13y ago
If you're operating in NYC, what is your strategy visa vie NYPD and the $150,000,000 Wall St. TIA system in place[1] [and no, don't attempt to discredit the source, I simply will not post the sensitive documents / location pictures on HN of all places] Do you have a permit? Are you aware of the surveillance you'll be under, and have you informed all participants that they will be logged into a surveillance system? Are you aware that all of your correspondence has already been logged, monitored and Gold / Silver / Bronze Police teams are now running models to negate your impact? [run a search on the papers if you need to understand how modern policing works, the USA is a bit tight-arsed about it, look for the EU white papers, they're much more accessible without being illegal] Are you aware that traffic and city wide electronic signals will be modified throughout your "march" to control flows? And so on. If the answer to any of these is "no", then you need to Wise The Fuck Up. Predators don't play nice. There's a reason they get to be on balconies with champagne laughing at you, and it isn't "luck". It's called home-game-advantage and owning-the-Power-Structures. If you're unaware of any of this, you're dog-food. And the Police certainly are the dogs here. Bottom line: No one important gives a FUCK about your 4th amendment rights. And that's just the truth of it. [Hint: MLK, see what happened to him, and that was a long time ago, "bro"] [1]http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/06/wall-streets-secret-spy-center-run-for-the-1-by-nypd/ http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/06/wall-streets-secret-s...
- antoko 13y ago
  You know its just a peaceful protest to show support for the 4th amendment, right? Its not a call for armed insurrection. I think you need to Chill the fuck out.
- Helpful_Bunny 13y ago