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I'm in the "You-get-what-you-pay-for" school. Besides being the phone all others are compared against, iPhone is standardized to fit a variety of 3rd party com

by menubar 13y ago

I'm in the "You-get-what-you-pay-for" school. Besides being the phone all others are compared against, iPhone is standardized to fit a variety of 3rd party components; lenses, camera mounts, car mounts, etc. Dependability is another aspect that should not be neglected to save a few $. If it's something you depend upon every day, you don't want to be disappointed when it matters most. I guess a free Firefox OS phone would be great for homeless or families too poor to afford a decent phone.

josteink 13y ago
> I guess a free Firefox OS phone would be great for homeless or families too poor to afford a decent phone. Or people who value freedom over eyecandy. Or people with principles and ideals. And maybe even people who can see outside the San Francisco hipster smug. People with long term visions, like the people who originally created the WWW had. We definitely need more people like that and we need the tech crowd to support them. Your comment adds nothing of value.
- embolism 13y ago
  Android is also free and is far more capable. What does Firefox OS bring to the table?
  - josteink 13y ago
    All Android apps (which most users see) are still closed apps, delivered through a closed app store, using propietary APIs. Chances are that all the apps you have invested in and the data you have put into them will be lost if you migrate to another phone or eco-system. Firefox OS, by ensuring that everything is HTML-based and pretty much delivered as web-pages means that you can never have your data and apps locked in the same way you can on Android and iPhone. Firefox OS delivers freedom in such complete form that no other platform can compete. Firefox OS is in fact so open that if you in the end get fed up with it (for whatever reason), you can still take all your apps, all your data and move on to whatever you want. You will lose nothing. You have to admit that is something pretty unique.
    - st3fan 13y ago
      "... you can still take all your apps, all your data and move on to whatever you want ..." Well, in theory :-) 1) Only to other Firefox OS phones that support the same WebAPIs that your apps require. Mozilla is working hard to push those APIs through W3C and encourage others to implement them. But that is a slow process and it remains to be seen if the other players want to do that. Until that happens, Firefox OS is just as proprietary as any other platform. Sure, it is technically more open, but you are still locked in to a specific runtime implementation where you can't easily move away from. 2) Only if those applications are completely standalone and do not depend on server side components. Developer goes out of business or loses interest in the app? Good luck reverse engineering minified JavaScript or reimplementing a backend that the app depended on. Firefox OS is great and it is a long term plan. But to claim it solves all problems we have now with mobile software goes too far in my opinion. Those same problems will just exist on any new platform. (Yes, yes, the web is the platform. See point 1)
      - Yoric 13y ago
        > 1) Only to other Firefox OS phones that support the same WebAPIs that your apps require. Mozilla is working hard to push those APIs through W3C and encourage others to implement them. But that is a slow process and it remains to be seen if the other players want to do that. In theory, it will work anywhere, eventually. But today, almost every single FirefoxOS applications can run unchanged on Android (using Firefox for Android). Most of them can also work on laptop/desktop (using regular Firefox). That's already way better than whatever Android or iOS offer. > 2) Only if those applications are completely standalone and do not depend on server side components. Developer goes out of business or loses interest in the app? Good luck reverse engineering minified JavaScript or reimplementing a backend that the app depended on. On this point, I agree with you. The parent post was overpromising. > Firefox OS is great and it is a long term plan. But to claim it solves all problems we have now with mobile software goes too far in my opinion. Those same problems will just exist on any new platform. I, for one, don't claim that. But I am convinced that Firefox OS is a great step forward, and that's all we can ask, really. Caveat: I am a Mozillian.
bzbarsky 13y ago
You do realize that the "too poor" bucket is most of the world, right?

by menubar 13y ago

josteink 13y ago

> I guess a free Firefox OS phone would be great for homeless or families too poor to afford a decent phone. Or people who value freedom over eyecandy. Or people with principles and ideals. And maybe even people who can see outside the San Francisco hipster smug. People with long term visions, like the people who originally created the WWW had. We definitely need more people like that and we need the tech crowd to support them. Your comment adds nothing of value.

embolism 13y ago
Android is also free and is far more capable. What does Firefox OS bring to the table?
- josteink 13y ago
  All Android apps (which most users see) are still closed apps, delivered through a closed app store, using propietary APIs. Chances are that all the apps you have invested in and the data you have put into them will be lost if you migrate to another phone or eco-system. Firefox OS, by ensuring that everything is HTML-based and pretty much delivered as web-pages means that you can never have your data and apps locked in the same way you can on Android and iPhone. Firefox OS delivers freedom in such complete form that no other platform can compete. Firefox OS is in fact so open that if you in the end get fed up with it (for whatever reason), you can still take all your apps, all your data and move on to whatever you want. You will lose nothing. You have to admit that is something pretty unique.
  - st3fan 13y ago
    "... you can still take all your apps, all your data and move on to whatever you want ..." Well, in theory :-) 1) Only to other Firefox OS phones that support the same WebAPIs that your apps require. Mozilla is working hard to push those APIs through W3C and encourage others to implement them. But that is a slow process and it remains to be seen if the other players want to do that. Until that happens, Firefox OS is just as proprietary as any other platform. Sure, it is technically more open, but you are still locked in to a specific runtime implementation where you can't easily move away from. 2) Only if those applications are completely standalone and do not depend on server side components. Developer goes out of business or loses interest in the app? Good luck reverse engineering minified JavaScript or reimplementing a backend that the app depended on. Firefox OS is great and it is a long term plan. But to claim it solves all problems we have now with mobile software goes too far in my opinion. Those same problems will just exist on any new platform. (Yes, yes, the web is the platform. See point 1)
    - Yoric 13y ago
      > 1) Only to other Firefox OS phones that support the same WebAPIs that your apps require. Mozilla is working hard to push those APIs through W3C and encourage others to implement them. But that is a slow process and it remains to be seen if the other players want to do that. In theory, it will work anywhere, eventually. But today, almost every single FirefoxOS applications can run unchanged on Android (using Firefox for Android). Most of them can also work on laptop/desktop (using regular Firefox). That's already way better than whatever Android or iOS offer. > 2) Only if those applications are completely standalone and do not depend on server side components. Developer goes out of business or loses interest in the app? Good luck reverse engineering minified JavaScript or reimplementing a backend that the app depended on. On this point, I agree with you. The parent post was overpromising. > Firefox OS is great and it is a long term plan. But to claim it solves all problems we have now with mobile software goes too far in my opinion. Those same problems will just exist on any new platform. I, for one, don't claim that. But I am convinced that Firefox OS is a great step forward, and that's all we can ask, really. Caveat: I am a Mozillian.

bzbarsky 13y ago

You do realize that the "too poor" bucket is most of the world, right?