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>Siri has major disruptive potential that isn't being realized at all (by Apple). And Google is already doing (or it's obvious they're in progress for) all of

>Siri has major disruptive potential that isn't being realized at all (by Apple). And Google is already doing (or it's obvious they're in progress for) all of those things. How can anyone who has honestly used both services, in any world in our known Universe, call "Now" a "half-measure" compared to Siri? You could cut off one of its legs and it'd still lap it. Google is going all out on Now. What are they averaging, 3 new card integrations every 2-3 weeks? EVERYTHING funnels into it. It literally knows where I'm going 90% of the time I get in my car. It alerts me when my packages are delivered. It's far more intelligent and has access to more of my data than Apple will likely ever have for any of their customers. Here, I'll make it easy: What opportunity does Apple have with Siri that Google doesn't have or hasn't already leveraged with Now? >But then it risks bulldozing the AdWords model. Nah. I made a note to myself earlier today aloud "Google, note to self, pick up toilet paper". That was instantly automatically saved in Keep. Now, because Google knows I'm driving home, they can look up a retail partner that is close on my route home and automatically remind, navigate me there and then back home. There are a ton of usage stories like this. What if my partner emails me a "pick this up at the store"? They can add a filter like they're already doing for flights and shipping and they're done, they get that integration and visibility surfaced "free" through Now. There are PLENTY of opportunities for Google because of the data they have access to. (Cynical hackers forget that advertising works because in some cases it ADDS VALUE for the consumer. That's what Ad Words have always been about. If they're not intelligently targeted, they're useless.) I don't see any reason that Google Now has to obliviate AdWords. And in fact, funneling data to/through Now gives huge, huge advantages when we already know that Google is work on Glass and Watch.

Devolver 13y ago
It sounds like you're angry because you don't feel I'm giving enough credit to Google Now. But the piece itself wasn't about Google Now; it was about how Apple is screwing up the opportunity to do something really awesome with Siri, for reasons that I don't really understand. For the record: I think Google Now is really interesting, but it's more like a "pre-emptive search" engine than a "task completion engine." If Google really builds a task-completion engine (and they certainly have the talent to do so), it would change the search paradigm. But they make tons and tons of money on the existing search paradigm, so they have an innovators' dilemma.
- drivebyacct2 13y ago
  >I think Google Now is really interesting, but it's more like a "pre-emptive search" engine than a "task completion engine." It's both? Is there some "task" that Siri can do that Now can't? Because it has intuition, it's bad? >it was about how Apple is screwing up the opportunity to do something really awesome with Siri And my point is that they have none of the data necessary to do the real smart, amazing things that Now already does and will be able to. Even now, I guarantee (okay, not really, I can't say this as inside fact) that the Bing team isn't giving Apple query data unless it goes through Siri, so they're still never, ever going to have the full picture of their user like Google has. I guess my point is, why would Siri try to fight Google on this, they have no unique leverage or technical or data advantage, it seems like any money spent trying to compete with Now's intelligence would be foolish unless they're really just going to go full-frontal on all Google services which would be utter insane suicide based on iCloud. I mean, when you say "task based", what is more task based than a service that automatically notifies you about tasks like flights or shopping lists or package shipping notifications or directions to your destination, all without you never lifting a finger, based purely on your email and search habits (this already exists, today, with Now). That's as "task" driven as I can imagine. Each "card" is basically a task.
  - LaSombra 13y ago
    A classic example of Apple trying to fix this is a Maps app for Mavericks that has a "send to phone" feature. Something Google had and already retired in favor of Now and that works amazingly well. If I use Google Maps on my desktop, search for directions, then choose public transportation, that's what goes to Now. If on another day I choose bike directions, that is what goes to Now. Same goes for open tabs in Chrome, searching for flights and more. You perform the task on your computer and your Android phone, with Google Now, "just knows" what you are/were looking for. One cool feature that I think came from ITA Software purchase is that, if the flight you looked for is delayed, Now lets you know it's delayed and change your directions to fit the new flight arrival if needed. When I first saw the delayed info on Now I didn't believe it, so I dismissed. Upon arrival on Heathrow, the arrival board was showing the exact same delay as Now. I was blown away.
sinnerswing 13y ago
You are so missing the point it's hilarious. I'll post a few articles and I'll let you figure things out. "Google earns 80% of its mobile revenue from iOS, just 20% from Android" http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of_its_mobile_revenue_from_ios_just_20_from_android http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of... "Despite Smaller Share iOS Devices Generate 67 Percent Of Mobile Internet Traffic" http://marketingland.com/report-despite-smaller-share-ios-devices-generate-67-percent-of-mobile-internet-traffic-27799 http://marketingland.com/report-despite-smaller-share-ios-de... "More (Local) Searches Coming From iOS Than Android" http://searchengineland.com/more-local-searches-coming-from-ios-than-android-study-119465 http://searchengineland.com/more-local-searches-coming-from-... "Two-Thirds of Google’s Mobile Search Traffic Comes From iOS Devices" http://www.mobilemarketingwatch.com/two-thirds-of-googles-mobile-search-traffic-comes-from-ios-devices-18718/ http://www.mobilemarketingwatch.com/two-thirds-of-googles-mo...
- drivebyacct2 13y ago
  >You are so missing the point it's hilarious. I'm happy to provide humor. Cool links, bro. Nice how they all refer to the same old, stale data, but you list them so nicely in a list as if there's some obvious conclusion that is somehow relevant to this discussion. Siri's a gimmick and everyone knows it. I'm baffled by the attribution of some magic to it that is going to allow people to stop using Google. If anything, those ridiculous links would indicate that Google's not going anywhere, anytime. I want to know how Siri is going to do all of this magical nonsense when Apple hasn't done any of the work to make themselves available to the data necessary to do so. As I've mentioned basically from the beginning. Sigh. Oh and several of those are "total mobile revenue". We all know people buy through the App Store more.
  - sinnerswing 13y ago
    Siri, an app, a customized search box, etc. Apple changes the UI, Google's fucked. What is it you don't understand?
    - untog 13y ago

Devolver 13y ago

It sounds like you're angry because you don't feel I'm giving enough credit to Google Now. But the piece itself wasn't about Google Now; it was about how Apple is screwing up the opportunity to do something really awesome with Siri, for reasons that I don't really understand. For the record: I think Google Now is really interesting, but it's more like a "pre-emptive search" engine than a "task completion engine." If Google really builds a task-completion engine (and they certainly have the talent to do so), it would change the search paradigm. But they make tons and tons of money on the existing search paradigm, so they have an innovators' dilemma.

drivebyacct2 13y ago
>I think Google Now is really interesting, but it's more like a "pre-emptive search" engine than a "task completion engine." It's both? Is there some "task" that Siri can do that Now can't? Because it has intuition, it's bad? >it was about how Apple is screwing up the opportunity to do something really awesome with Siri And my point is that they have none of the data necessary to do the real smart, amazing things that Now already does and will be able to. Even now, I guarantee (okay, not really, I can't say this as inside fact) that the Bing team isn't giving Apple query data unless it goes through Siri, so they're still never, ever going to have the full picture of their user like Google has. I guess my point is, why would Siri try to fight Google on this, they have no unique leverage or technical or data advantage, it seems like any money spent trying to compete with Now's intelligence would be foolish unless they're really just going to go full-frontal on all Google services which would be utter insane suicide based on iCloud. I mean, when you say "task based", what is more task based than a service that automatically notifies you about tasks like flights or shopping lists or package shipping notifications or directions to your destination, all without you never lifting a finger, based purely on your email and search habits (this already exists, today, with Now). That's as "task" driven as I can imagine. Each "card" is basically a task.
- LaSombra 13y ago
  A classic example of Apple trying to fix this is a Maps app for Mavericks that has a "send to phone" feature. Something Google had and already retired in favor of Now and that works amazingly well. If I use Google Maps on my desktop, search for directions, then choose public transportation, that's what goes to Now. If on another day I choose bike directions, that is what goes to Now. Same goes for open tabs in Chrome, searching for flights and more. You perform the task on your computer and your Android phone, with Google Now, "just knows" what you are/were looking for. One cool feature that I think came from ITA Software purchase is that, if the flight you looked for is delayed, Now lets you know it's delayed and change your directions to fit the new flight arrival if needed. When I first saw the delayed info on Now I didn't believe it, so I dismissed. Upon arrival on Heathrow, the arrival board was showing the exact same delay as Now. I was blown away.

sinnerswing 13y ago

You are so missing the point it's hilarious. I'll post a few articles and I'll let you figure things out. "Google earns 80% of its mobile revenue from iOS, just 20% from Android" http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of_its_mobile_revenue_from_ios_just_20_from_android http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of... "Despite Smaller Share iOS Devices Generate 67 Percent Of Mobile Internet Traffic" http://marketingland.com/report-despite-smaller-share-ios-devices-generate-67-percent-of-mobile-internet-traffic-27799 http://marketingland.com/report-despite-smaller-share-ios-de... "More (Local) Searches Coming From iOS Than Android" http://searchengineland.com/more-local-searches-coming-from-ios-than-android-study-119465 http://searchengineland.com/more-local-searches-coming-from-... "Two-Thirds of Google’s Mobile Search Traffic Comes From iOS Devices" http://www.mobilemarketingwatch.com/two-thirds-of-googles-mobile-search-traffic-comes-from-ios-devices-18718/ http://www.mobilemarketingwatch.com/two-thirds-of-googles-mo...

drivebyacct2 13y ago
>You are so missing the point it's hilarious. I'm happy to provide humor. Cool links, bro. Nice how they all refer to the same old, stale data, but you list them so nicely in a list as if there's some obvious conclusion that is somehow relevant to this discussion. Siri's a gimmick and everyone knows it. I'm baffled by the attribution of some magic to it that is going to allow people to stop using Google. If anything, those ridiculous links would indicate that Google's not going anywhere, anytime. I want to know how Siri is going to do all of this magical nonsense when Apple hasn't done any of the work to make themselves available to the data necessary to do so. As I've mentioned basically from the beginning. Sigh. Oh and several of those are "total mobile revenue". We all know people buy through the App Store more.
- sinnerswing 13y ago
  Siri, an app, a customized search box, etc. Apple changes the UI, Google's fucked. What is it you don't understand?
  - untog 13y ago