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That's right, it's still Bush's fault. We're in Obama's 2nd term, this is getting old.

01Michael10 13y ago
Yes, no need to worry about new information as it comes to light if it was in the past. We can't learn anything from history.
ricw 13y ago
While you're right in pointing out that the current blame can be primarily directed at Obama, it is also Bush's fault. Its a slippery slope of diminishing fundamental rights guaranteed by the constitution, and whoever follows Obama as president is likely to just follow it even further..
sigzero 13y ago
It started under Bush, so this is one instance where I think they are right. However, I blame Obama more because he was supposed to do the opposite.
- jerf 13y ago
  Are you sure it started under Bush? Accusations that Echelon was being used for industrial espionage date back to the 90s. This is relevant because a creeping erosion needs to be fought differently than something that had a distinct event that caused it.
mcherm 13y ago
I would be happy to comment on a newspaper article about the legal opinions expressed in the Obama white house about the legality of the programs Obama has continued or created. Perhaps in another 10 years I will be able to do so.
dllthomas 13y ago
It's Bush's fault, and it's the fault of everyone who sat idly and ignored those of us yelling about it under Bush, and it's Obama's fault, and it's the fault of those supporting him now.
riggins 13y ago
That's right, it's still Bush's fault. We're in Obama's 2nd term, this is getting old. This article doesn't make any claims about anything being Bush's fault. As far as I can tell, this article is reporting new information about Bush's actions during his presidency. It's being reported now because this information wasn't previously available. And it's only available now because Snowden leaked it.
anon34 13y ago
You are still missing the point, sorta. See the replies below this. This article is designed to cause division between your left and right so they bicker about whose fault it is and take their eyes off the overall issue. American's have forgotten their own history. They generally believe their government is "good", thou their founding fathers believed all government was evil.. And attempted to create a government for the people, that could be overthrown by the people. "Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one" - Thomas Pain, Common Sense American's have forgotten their history, and have been fed that their government is "good", while others are "bad" or "oppresive". You've forgotten that "All crows are black". You technically have the ability to "vote" for a change, but you don't. You vote for the talking puppet on the right hand, or the talking puppet on the left hand. Not realizing both hands belong to the same body. You have the ability to do so much more, yet you do so little.

Yes, no need to worry about new information as it comes to light if it was in the past. We can't learn anything from history.

ricw 13y ago

While you're right in pointing out that the current blame can be primarily directed at Obama, it is also Bush's fault. Its a slippery slope of diminishing fundamental rights guaranteed by the constitution, and whoever follows Obama as president is likely to just follow it even further..

sigzero 13y ago

It started under Bush, so this is one instance where I think they are right. However, I blame Obama more because he was supposed to do the opposite.

jerf 13y ago
Are you sure it started under Bush? Accusations that Echelon was being used for industrial espionage date back to the 90s. This is relevant because a creeping erosion needs to be fought differently than something that had a distinct event that caused it.

mcherm 13y ago

I would be happy to comment on a newspaper article about the legal opinions expressed in the Obama white house about the legality of the programs Obama has continued or created. Perhaps in another 10 years I will be able to do so.

dllthomas 13y ago

It's Bush's fault, and it's the fault of everyone who sat idly and ignored those of us yelling about it under Bush, and it's Obama's fault, and it's the fault of those supporting him now.

riggins 13y ago

That's right, it's still Bush's fault. We're in Obama's 2nd term, this is getting old. This article doesn't make any claims about anything being Bush's fault. As far as I can tell, this article is reporting new information about Bush's actions during his presidency. It's being reported now because this information wasn't previously available. And it's only available now because Snowden leaked it.

anon34 13y ago

You are still missing the point, sorta. See the replies below this. This article is designed to cause division between your left and right so they bicker about whose fault it is and take their eyes off the overall issue. American's have forgotten their own history. They generally believe their government is "good", thou their founding fathers believed all government was evil.. And attempted to create a government for the people, that could be overthrown by the people. "Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one" - Thomas Pain, Common Sense American's have forgotten their history, and have been fed that their government is "good", while others are "bad" or "oppresive". You've forgotten that "All crows are black". You technically have the ability to "vote" for a change, but you don't. You vote for the talking puppet on the right hand, or the talking puppet on the left hand. Not realizing both hands belong to the same body. You have the ability to do so much more, yet you do so little.