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The entire Snowden hoax is a media event, a PR campaign to cover up the fact that he spied on the US for foreign powers. It's the most effective case of spin an

The entire Snowden hoax is a media event, a PR campaign to cover up the fact that he spied on the US for foreign powers. It's the most effective case of spin and damage control that I've ever seen.

enraged_camel 13y ago
I hope this is a sarcastic comment.
- Tangaroa 13y ago
  Thank you for adding nothing to the discussion.
  - enraged_camel 13y ago
    There is nothing to add, as it wasn't a discussion. You put forward the assertion that the entire thing is a hoax and that Snowden is a Chinese spy. You provided absolutely zero evidence. And you expect me to "add to the discussion?" What a joke.
    - Tangaroa 13y ago
      I'm still waiting on Snowden to provide evidence of the NSA breaking the 4th amendment and illegally spying on the American people. For all the panic and the republication of old stories about the NSA, it is Snowden who has provided absolutely zero evidence. What we do have is that Snowden copied a large cache of thousands of sensitive documents and gave them to who-knows-who. Suddenly countries that position themselves as enemies of the US are very happy to help him out, and he is happy to accept their assistance. In between, there was a public relations campaign to call him a "whistleblower" even though that is not what he did. The documents provided as supporting evidence do not say what Glenn Greenwald's reports say they do, while the journalists who have reported on these programs before are all facepalming at how wrong Greenwald's reporting has been. So yes, it looks like the entire thing is a hoax and Snowden is a spy. YHBT by Glenn Greenwald and whoever else was involved. YHL. HAND.
      - pstuart 13y ago
        Do you get paid to shill for the establishment or is it just for the lulz? Maybe you get a Junior G-Man badge and a code name? The NSA has every incentive to spy on everyone -- that's their job. The only "oversite" they have is by a toothless committees that will rubber-stamp anything they do. Do you really trust the government to always do the right thing? Even with historical evidence of continual abuses of such power?
      - devcpp 13y ago
        Seriously? So you're okay with the NSA spying -legally or not- on everyone, when the highest ranking people have denied this for years? Do you really think spying on Google, Yahoo!, and Microsoft users as a whole constitute probable cause for a search? I don't care about the consequences. If the US had apologized for this terrible mess and all the lies to its own people, Snowden wouldn't have had to do any of what had followed. Instead, it still refuses to corroborate his claims, making it seems likely that there's something incriminating here. If this doesn't seem fishy on the US side, and if you think anyone wouldn't have thought about blowing the whistle on all these lies by our leaders, you're seriously delusional. Or a troll.
      - Zak 13y ago
        The NSA secured an order from the FISC directing Verizon to turn over metadata on all calls made within the US, which includes data about the location of their customers' mobile phones. The Supreme Court has ruled that long-term tracking requires a warrant. The decision was unanimous, but split as to reasoning. The majority held that such tracking without a warrant violates the 4th amendment. It is quite likely that obtaining phone records for the purpose of tracking location has the same legal status.
        Tangaroa 13y ago
        Ah yes, the metadata that is not protected by the 4th Amendment because Verizon's users freely gave it to Verizon and have no expectation of privacy that Verizon would not transmit it further. The relevant case is Smith v. Maryland, which incidentally was decided by a liberal court during a privacy-conscious time after the CIA and FBI scandals came to light in the 1970s. Furthermore, we have learned that the NSA has procedures for accessing the data for the specific purpose of securing public privacy. This is a good example of how one of Glenn Greenwald's stories was flat-out wrong. The Verizon corporation has a good case that their 4th Amendment right to privacy is being violated, but the American people do not in this particular instance. By my understanding, the Supreme Court has not yet ruled against the legality of long-term tracking through information freely given by the tracking subject. You might be thinking of US v. Jones where the police installed a GPS monitor on someone's car.
danenania 13y ago
Spying on the fact that the US spies on everybody? Do you think people who keep their mouths shut as they and their coworkers do things like torture other human beings and build totalitarian surveillance infrastructure are good people? Sorry to invoke Godwin, but the Nazis would have loved folks like that.
- Tangaroa 13y ago
  Please show me where Snowden has exposed his coworkers torturing other human beings. Please show me where Snowden has exposed his coworkers building a totalitarian surveillance infrastructure. Justify describing it as 'totalitarian'. And for calling me a Nazi, go fuck yourself.
  - danenania 13y ago
    If a global system to capture the digital communications of everyone on the planet does not merit the term 'totalitarian', then that term has lost all meaning. I didn't call you a Nazi. I said the Nazis would have loved people who were ok with that kind of thing. Isn't that fairly obvious? Do you think they would have preferred a guy like Snowden?
    - Tangaroa 13y ago
      Snowden has not, in fact, revealed the existence of a global system to capture the digital communications of everyone on the planet. Try again. Also, I'd still like to hear the explanation of how Snowden exposed his NSA co-workers torturing people. I had not heard that one.
      - gareim 13y ago
        Do you care to reply to the others who have replied to you regarding the Verizon calls or have you lost your voice there?
samstave 13y ago
You're confused and likely misguided.
- kdkdkdkdkdkdk 13y ago
  And don't forget stupid.
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tymekpavel 13y ago
Speaking of spin...

The entire Snowden hoax is a media event, a PR campaign to cover up the fact that he spied on the US for foreign powers. It's the most effective case of spin and damage control that I've ever seen.

enraged_camel 13y ago

I hope this is a sarcastic comment.

Tangaroa 13y ago
Thank you for adding nothing to the discussion.
- enraged_camel 13y ago
  There is nothing to add, as it wasn't a discussion. You put forward the assertion that the entire thing is a hoax and that Snowden is a Chinese spy. You provided absolutely zero evidence. And you expect me to "add to the discussion?" What a joke.
  - Tangaroa 13y ago
    I'm still waiting on Snowden to provide evidence of the NSA breaking the 4th amendment and illegally spying on the American people. For all the panic and the republication of old stories about the NSA, it is Snowden who has provided absolutely zero evidence. What we do have is that Snowden copied a large cache of thousands of sensitive documents and gave them to who-knows-who. Suddenly countries that position themselves as enemies of the US are very happy to help him out, and he is happy to accept their assistance. In between, there was a public relations campaign to call him a "whistleblower" even though that is not what he did. The documents provided as supporting evidence do not say what Glenn Greenwald's reports say they do, while the journalists who have reported on these programs before are all facepalming at how wrong Greenwald's reporting has been. So yes, it looks like the entire thing is a hoax and Snowden is a spy. YHBT by Glenn Greenwald and whoever else was involved. YHL. HAND.
    - pstuart 13y ago
      Do you get paid to shill for the establishment or is it just for the lulz? Maybe you get a Junior G-Man badge and a code name? The NSA has every incentive to spy on everyone -- that's their job. The only "oversite" they have is by a toothless committees that will rubber-stamp anything they do. Do you really trust the government to always do the right thing? Even with historical evidence of continual abuses of such power?
    - devcpp 13y ago
      Seriously? So you're okay with the NSA spying -legally or not- on everyone, when the highest ranking people have denied this for years? Do you really think spying on Google, Yahoo!, and Microsoft users as a whole constitute probable cause for a search? I don't care about the consequences. If the US had apologized for this terrible mess and all the lies to its own people, Snowden wouldn't have had to do any of what had followed. Instead, it still refuses to corroborate his claims, making it seems likely that there's something incriminating here. If this doesn't seem fishy on the US side, and if you think anyone wouldn't have thought about blowing the whistle on all these lies by our leaders, you're seriously delusional. Or a troll.
    - Zak 13y ago
      The NSA secured an order from the FISC directing Verizon to turn over metadata on all calls made within the US, which includes data about the location of their customers' mobile phones. The Supreme Court has ruled that long-term tracking requires a warrant. The decision was unanimous, but split as to reasoning. The majority held that such tracking without a warrant violates the 4th amendment. It is quite likely that obtaining phone records for the purpose of tracking location has the same legal status.
      - Tangaroa 13y ago
        Ah yes, the metadata that is not protected by the 4th Amendment because Verizon's users freely gave it to Verizon and have no expectation of privacy that Verizon would not transmit it further. The relevant case is Smith v. Maryland, which incidentally was decided by a liberal court during a privacy-conscious time after the CIA and FBI scandals came to light in the 1970s. Furthermore, we have learned that the NSA has procedures for accessing the data for the specific purpose of securing public privacy. This is a good example of how one of Glenn Greenwald's stories was flat-out wrong. The Verizon corporation has a good case that their 4th Amendment right to privacy is being violated, but the American people do not in this particular instance. By my understanding, the Supreme Court has not yet ruled against the legality of long-term tracking through information freely given by the tracking subject. You might be thinking of US v. Jones where the police installed a GPS monitor on someone's car.

danenania 13y ago

Spying on the fact that the US spies on everybody? Do you think people who keep their mouths shut as they and their coworkers do things like torture other human beings and build totalitarian surveillance infrastructure are good people? Sorry to invoke Godwin, but the Nazis would have loved folks like that.

Tangaroa 13y ago
Please show me where Snowden has exposed his coworkers torturing other human beings. Please show me where Snowden has exposed his coworkers building a totalitarian surveillance infrastructure. Justify describing it as 'totalitarian'. And for calling me a Nazi, go fuck yourself.
- danenania 13y ago
  If a global system to capture the digital communications of everyone on the planet does not merit the term 'totalitarian', then that term has lost all meaning. I didn't call you a Nazi. I said the Nazis would have loved people who were ok with that kind of thing. Isn't that fairly obvious? Do you think they would have preferred a guy like Snowden?
  - Tangaroa 13y ago
    Snowden has not, in fact, revealed the existence of a global system to capture the digital communications of everyone on the planet. Try again. Also, I'd still like to hear the explanation of how Snowden exposed his NSA co-workers torturing people. I had not heard that one.
    - gareim 13y ago
      Do you care to reply to the others who have replied to you regarding the Verizon calls or have you lost your voice there?

samstave 13y ago

You're confused and likely misguided.

kdkdkdkdkdkdk 13y ago
And don't forget stupid.

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tymekpavel 13y ago

Speaking of spin...