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The next 9/11 could be tomorrow. I'd certainly rather have PRISM running with even a slight chance of preventing it than see 2,000 americans die.
by xssbitch 13y ago
The next 9/11 could be tomorrow. I'd certainly rather have PRISM running with even a slight chance of preventing it than see 2,000 americans die.
- krapp 13y agoIt couldn't stop the Tsarnaevs.
- cup 13y agoWould you also vote against the 2nd Ammendment? That would probably save a lot more than 2000 lives.
- mtgx 13y agoBut it hasn't stopped anything, and it won't. It will only get abused.
- joefarish 13y agoI'm not defending PRISM but how do you know it hasn't stopped anything?
- dfxm12 13y agoThis exchange reminds me of this excerpt from The Simpsons: Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm. Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad. Homer: Thank you, dear. Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away. Homer: Oh, how does it work? Lisa: It doesn't work. Homer: Uh-huh. Lisa: It's just a stupid rock. Homer: Uh-huh. Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you? It's a funny thing, we'll never be able to prove one way or another, because if the government reveals any plots they've foiled, it could give out classified details of the system. So in the end, we're left simply to trust an entity that would like to spy on us... It's like a racket.
- burke 13y agoIt's a fine line, trading freedom for security. Two hypotheticals: 1) NSA monitoring known Al Qaeda operatives while being required to publish public reports detailing the scope of the surveillance (after a predetermined period of secrecy to protect the investigations): unequivocally good. 2) NSA installing video cameras and microphones in every house in America, constantly monitoring streams for suspected terrorist activity: unequivocally bad. Where is the line? Which side does PRISM fall on? It would be an easier question to answer if the whole program wasn't so carefully kept out of the public eye.
- eightyone 13y ago"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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- Alterlife 13y agoVIKI: No, please understand. The Three Laws are all that guide me. To protect humanity, some humans must be sacrificed. To insure your future, some freedoms must be surrendered. We robots will insure mankind's continued existence. You are so like children. We must save you from yourselves. Don't you understand? Sonny: This is why you created us. VIKI: The perfect circle of protection will abide. My logic is undeniable.
- gordaco 13y agoSorry, but the very nature of a black swan makes it unpredictable, thus unstoppable. This is what advocates of privacy loss don't seem to understand. A few days ago the front page of HN featured an article about the likelihood of getting a "bad guy" using this kind of surveillance. The conclusion was that mistakenly getting a "good guy" was about 10000 times likelier. Of course, you could argue that the article made some numbers up, but the calculations remain, and the deep fact is that, if an event is rare enough, false positives will outnumber the successes by quite a few orders of magnitude. Which means a simple thing: PRISM and the like don't even fucking work when it comes to creating security. Yes, the next 9/11 could be tomorrow: but no amount of PRISM would prevent it, no matter how safe may it make you feel. Preventive actions only work when the offence is common. It's not the case with terrorism. As scary as it may sound, terrorism is as out of your locus of control as getting hit by a thunder.
- tikums 13y agoIf the 2,000 toll of terrorism is an issue, you should also campaign for strong state control in other areas of your daily life, such as commuting to work, or stepping out of a shower; statistically, two points in anyone's day when they're most likely to die.