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So lets say, hypothetically speaking, that I know a whole lot about how prism works, and have some slides and what not and that I trust GG with them. Let's furt

by hondje 13y ago

So lets say, hypothetically speaking, that I know a whole lot about how prism works, and have some slides and what not and that I trust GG with them. Let's further suppose that I am unaffiliated with Facebook, unemployed by the USG, no clearance etc. Just Joe Coder the contractor who loves Freedom. Why can't I just send them to him, what do I care if the FBI knows since I'm not under an NDA or a govt employee?

aaronbrethorst 13y ago
You wouldn't know anything about the program unless you had a security clearance.
- davidmr 13y ago
  Just like Mark Klein knew nothing about the NSA room in the AT&T building? People without clearances come across classified information.
danenania 13y ago
The simple answer is that the US national security apparatus doesn't follow the law. They will harass you at borders, put you on 'terrorist' lists, and otherwise attempt to intimidate and sabotage you if you are perceived as a nuisance to them. It doesn't matter whether what you do is actually illegal.
rdtsc 13y ago
Looks good on paper. Yes you can do whatever you want with it. But unfortunately you might find yourself on some black list. Be unable to fly. Your tax records might be meticulously inspected. Your workplace might be called and secret service might want to "chat" with your co-workers and bosses about you. FBI might visit you at home just to chat and take notes. If anything the govt. has proven that it can fuck up someone's life if they really want to regardless of what the books say. Yes in the end you might even be exonerated but by then you have been laid off, divorced, financially drained from attorney fees, your health, time and nerves are shut.
- tlrobinson 13y ago
  And broad surveillance makes it that much easier for them to harass their political enemies. For example, they could hassle everyone you've talked to on your Verizon phone.

by hondje 13y ago

aaronbrethorst 13y ago

You wouldn't know anything about the program unless you had a security clearance.

davidmr 13y ago
Just like Mark Klein knew nothing about the NSA room in the AT&T building? People without clearances come across classified information.

danenania 13y ago

The simple answer is that the US national security apparatus doesn't follow the law. They will harass you at borders, put you on 'terrorist' lists, and otherwise attempt to intimidate and sabotage you if you are perceived as a nuisance to them. It doesn't matter whether what you do is actually illegal.

rdtsc 13y ago

Looks good on paper. Yes you can do whatever you want with it. But unfortunately you might find yourself on some black list. Be unable to fly. Your tax records might be meticulously inspected. Your workplace might be called and secret service might want to "chat" with your co-workers and bosses about you. FBI might visit you at home just to chat and take notes. If anything the govt. has proven that it can fuck up someone's life if they really want to regardless of what the books say. Yes in the end you might even be exonerated but by then you have been laid off, divorced, financially drained from attorney fees, your health, time and nerves are shut.

tlrobinson 13y ago
And broad surveillance makes it that much easier for them to harass their political enemies. For example, they could hassle everyone you've talked to on your Verizon phone.