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I love my retina displays, but Apple's marketing annoys me as I can still see pixellation at times. This is a quick game to see if you can dispute the marketing

by 1as 13y ago

I love my retina displays, but Apple's marketing annoys me as I can still see pixellation at times. This is a quick game to see if you can dispute the marketing claim. Looking forward to a real retina display soon :-)

foolrush 13y ago
I am unsure what "real retina" means. A typical print project will expect images at 300 PPI. Text however, is provided in spline. This is typically rendered at 1200 PPI by the rasterizer. In terms of printed quality display, it would likely mean several more generations of display technology before we see the equivalent density.
- 1as 13y ago
  I quoted Apple's Retina claim on the site: ‘The Retina display’s pixel density is so high, your eye is unable to distinguish individual pixels’. (They have many variations on this). So for me a real retina display would make a single white pixel on black background invisible at normal viewing distances to a normal eye.
  - ISL 13y ago
    By that logic, because the diffraction limit of the human eye is orders of magnitude away from being able to image a star, we cannot see stars. For resolution, the question might be better stated: Can you tell the difference between a) ** and b) * * The two images have the same aggregate intensity, but different morphology. The ancients played the same game as a vision test with stars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizar_and_Alcor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizar_and_Alcor
    - 1as 13y ago
      Very interesting – thanks.
  - Someone 13y ago
    That may be the case for you, but in vision research, people measure spatial acuity differently. For examples, see http://webvision.med.utah.edu/book/part-viii-gabac-receptors/visual-acuity/ http://webvision.med.utah.edu/book/part-viii-gabac-receptors.... A main reason why your definition isn't used much is because it is highly dependent on the relative brightness of the dot and its background. You can see a dot that has a millionth of the area of an iPad pixel, as long as it radiates the same number of photons on your retina [edit, make that a thousandth or so. Something a million times as bright might kill the cell it lands on before it can send out a signal. http://www.displaymate.com/iPad_ShootOut_1.htm#Backlight_Power http://www.displaymate.com/iPad_ShootOut_1.htm#Backlight_Pow... claims 7W for an ipad backlight; that's over 2W for a million pixels. You wouldn't want to shine a 2W laser into your eye. If you don't believe that, google 2W laser pointer on YouTube] Landolt C's may be a bit tricky to get right on a web page, but you might try and code a staircase experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychophysics#Staircase_procedures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychophysics#Staircase_procedu...) with illiterate E's.
    - 1as 13y ago
      Awesome, that's really clear. Thanks.
- ChuckMcM 13y ago
  Random factoid: Printing is a whole different ball of wax. As the printing process involves layering inks to achieve colors, the ability to create different colors is a function of that printers ability to lay down ink, so typically the color gamut of the printer will be "lousy" at its highest resolution (as low as 8 colors) and at a smaller "effective" resolution will cross the point where it can print all the colors you would expect. This second number is often referred to as the 'screen resolution' not because of CRT screens but because of silk screen printing. So early HP printers would have a "resolution" of 300 DPI but a screen resolution that was closer to 120 dpi. In the photography business people talked about 'lines' which was the smallest width line you could have in contrasting colors on the film that the film could reproduce. Hence those test patterns you saw of groups of lines in standard image targets. CRTs used a shadow mask, a way of blocking the electron beam around the different colored phosphors. You were limited to 1/3 to 1/4 the shadow mask resolution as you needed at least three phosphor patches to reproduce colors.

by 1as 13y ago

foolrush 13y ago

I am unsure what "real retina" means. A typical print project will expect images at 300 PPI. Text however, is provided in spline. This is typically rendered at 1200 PPI by the rasterizer. In terms of printed quality display, it would likely mean several more generations of display technology before we see the equivalent density.

1as 13y ago
I quoted Apple's Retina claim on the site: ‘The Retina display’s pixel density is so high, your eye is unable to distinguish individual pixels’. (They have many variations on this). So for me a real retina display would make a single white pixel on black background invisible at normal viewing distances to a normal eye.
- ISL 13y ago
  By that logic, because the diffraction limit of the human eye is orders of magnitude away from being able to image a star, we cannot see stars. For resolution, the question might be better stated: Can you tell the difference between a) ** and b) * * The two images have the same aggregate intensity, but different morphology. The ancients played the same game as a vision test with stars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizar_and_Alcor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizar_and_Alcor
  - 1as 13y ago
    Very interesting – thanks.
- Someone 13y ago
  That may be the case for you, but in vision research, people measure spatial acuity differently. For examples, see http://webvision.med.utah.edu/book/part-viii-gabac-receptors/visual-acuity/ http://webvision.med.utah.edu/book/part-viii-gabac-receptors.... A main reason why your definition isn't used much is because it is highly dependent on the relative brightness of the dot and its background. You can see a dot that has a millionth of the area of an iPad pixel, as long as it radiates the same number of photons on your retina [edit, make that a thousandth or so. Something a million times as bright might kill the cell it lands on before it can send out a signal. http://www.displaymate.com/iPad_ShootOut_1.htm#Backlight_Power http://www.displaymate.com/iPad_ShootOut_1.htm#Backlight_Pow... claims 7W for an ipad backlight; that's over 2W for a million pixels. You wouldn't want to shine a 2W laser into your eye. If you don't believe that, google 2W laser pointer on YouTube] Landolt C's may be a bit tricky to get right on a web page, but you might try and code a staircase experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychophysics#Staircase_procedures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychophysics#Staircase_procedu...) with illiterate E's.
  - 1as 13y ago
    Awesome, that's really clear. Thanks.
ChuckMcM 13y ago
Random factoid: Printing is a whole different ball of wax. As the printing process involves layering inks to achieve colors, the ability to create different colors is a function of that printers ability to lay down ink, so typically the color gamut of the printer will be "lousy" at its highest resolution (as low as 8 colors) and at a smaller "effective" resolution will cross the point where it can print all the colors you would expect. This second number is often referred to as the 'screen resolution' not because of CRT screens but because of silk screen printing. So early HP printers would have a "resolution" of 300 DPI but a screen resolution that was closer to 120 dpi. In the photography business people talked about 'lines' which was the smallest width line you could have in contrasting colors on the film that the film could reproduce. Hence those test patterns you saw of groups of lines in standard image targets. CRTs used a shadow mask, a way of blocking the electron beam around the different colored phosphors. You were limited to 1/3 to 1/4 the shadow mask resolution as you needed at least three phosphor patches to reproduce colors.