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Please get your facts straight. How about you also read these articles: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/10/201110279954762656.html http://www.al

by dsaber 13y ago

Please get your facts straight. How about you also read these articles: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/10/201110279954762656.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/10/2011102799... http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/06/20126410503297278.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/06/20126410503... Before the terrorists you're referring to went into Syria, the regime was brutally terrorizing its own citizens. There are countless of videos that prove it. It's the very actions of the mafia-like Syrian regime that has lead the country to where it is today, unfortunately.

kmcd 13y ago
FACT: the overwhelming majority of Syrians support the current government & voted for them in independently observed free elections. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-... > the regime was brutally terrorizing its own citizens. There are countless of videos that prove it. Where are videos - have you verified them? Didn't think so. Re: Houla - carried out by NATO backed terrorists, confirmed in a UN report. http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/682-the-houla-massacre.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/687-houla-massacre-update-the-un-report.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/683-the-houla-massacre-part-2-shades-of-grey.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... This is part of massacre marketing strategy by NATO, Qatar et al: Writing in Bild, [2] longtime German war correspondent Jurgen Todenhofer accused the rebels of "deliberately killing civilians and then presenting them as victims of the government". He described this "massacre-marketing strategy" as being "among the most disgusting things that I have ever experienced in an armed conflict" http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html So you fully support killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort?
- dsaber 13y ago
  > FACT: the overwhelming majority of Syrians support the current government & voted for them in independently observed free elections. Had you even lived in Syria, you'd realize how it's virtually impossible to get an accurate and true poll. There's absolutely no freedom of expression. Citizens don't trust each other. There's around 275 intelligence officers for each Syrian citizen. The country is littered with the picture of the ruling Assad mafia that's shoved down the throat of all citizens. The vast majority of Syrians are scared to death of government. I know this, since not only have I lived there, I have many relatives and friends who have been either imprisoned, tortured, or exiled for simply speaking out. Obviously, the government does have some support, but it's vast majority of supporters are beneficiaries of the government or are dependent on the government for their source of income. Add to that the brainwashing and fear the government has instilled in its own citizens for over 40 years, and it's not surprising to see such reports. > Where are videos - have you verified them? Yes, many of those videos have been verified. > So you fully support killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort? What a ridiculous question. You very well know my position about advocating for the rights and freedom of civilians. But, that question demonstrates many of the classic logical fallacies in your entire argument. The Syrian government has been terrorizing its own citizens before your claimed propaganda efforts were in the picture. Sure, there are players that are now taking advantage of the situation, but that doesn't invalidate the claim that the main responsible party in the destruction of the country is the Syrian regime, which has allowed other parties to take advantage.
  - kmcd 13y ago
    Gotcha! You are clearly not who you claim to be. You're either a liar or a shill. You created your profile a day ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=dsaber https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=dsaber I note that you are unable to engage in any of the critical issues. > Had you even lived in Syria You've never lived in Syria - you're a fake. Contact me directly & I'll get one of my Syrian friends to have a chat with you. What were the main electoral issues for the 2012 elections? > Yes, many of those videos have been verified. You have failed to provide any evidence of this. You dont seem to understand the difference between assertion & fact. Facts & evidence please - not assertion. > There's around 275 intelligence officers for each Syrian citizen 275 * 20.82 million citizens = 5500 million intelligence officers? You're an idiot. > You very well know my position about advocating for the rights and freedom of civilians. NO, we don't know your position. > , that question demonstrates many of the classic logical fallacies in your entire argument. Such as? Yeah, didn't think so. If you even knew what a logical fallacy was you would have stated it. > What a ridiculous question. You don't seem to understand a rhetorical question. So I'll put it more clearly for you: You are supporting killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort. Again, we note that you do not acknowledge the fact that: - NATO backed death squads were responsible for the Houla massacre; - western media tried to blame the Syrian government; - western media ignored the UN report exonerating the Syrian government; > your claimed propaganda efforts There's nothing claimed - the propaganda effort is a FACT. Also the death & destruction on the ground is not claimed, it's a fact. > the main responsible party in the destruction of the country is the Syrian regime Yet again, incorrect. Snipers from Dagestan armed with US produced M40A3 rifles started shooting civilians in 2011. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27955.htm http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27955.htm http://www.ozyism.com/2011/12/us-sniper-squad-caught-on-video-in.html http://www.ozyism.com/2011/12/us-sniper-squad-caught-on-vide... There are over 300 European mercenaries languishing in Syrian jails: http://www.ozyism.com/2012/06/40-german-arms-smugglers-arrested-in.html http://www.ozyism.com/2012/06/40-german-arms-smugglers-arres... There are over 20000 Foreign Mercenaries in Syria: http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-uncleared-war-nearly-20000-foreign-mercenaries-fight-in-syria/5330977 http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-uncleared-war-nearly-2... http://www.kurdnas.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=371:us-helping-to-train-and-arm-islamic-mercenaries-to-fight-in-syria&catid=36:reports1&Itemid=56 http://www.kurdnas.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&v... A United Nations Independent Commission, has confirmed that: - contractors hired by the Pentagon were training the terrorists in the use of chemical weapons; - terrorists possess sarin nerve gas, which they are using against the civilian population https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=United+Nations+Independent+Commission+syria+sarin+gas&aq=f&oq=United+Nations+Independent+Commission+syria+sarin+gas&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l3.8097j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=United+Nations+Independent... http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-contractors-have-trained-the-terrorists-in-the-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-syria/5334394 http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-contractors-have-train... Furthermore, Qatar has been implicated in a plot to procure chemical weapons from a UK security company for use by the death squads, hoping to blame the government. http://www.infowars.com/hack-reveals-washington-approved-plan-to-stage-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/ http://www.infowars.com/hack-reveals-washington-approved-pla... All of which you seem quite happy with. It is obvious you have no empathy for the suffering of the Syrian people & fully support the killing of civilians by NATO death squads.

by dsaber 13y ago

kmcd 13y ago

FACT: the overwhelming majority of Syrians support the current government & voted for them in independently observed free elections. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-... > the regime was brutally terrorizing its own citizens. There are countless of videos that prove it. Where are videos - have you verified them? Didn't think so. Re: Houla - carried out by NATO backed terrorists, confirmed in a UN report. http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/682-the-houla-massacre.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/687-houla-massacre-update-the-un-report.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/683-the-houla-massacre-part-2-shades-of-grey.html http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012... This is part of massacre marketing strategy by NATO, Qatar et al: Writing in Bild, [2] longtime German war correspondent Jurgen Todenhofer accused the rebels of "deliberately killing civilians and then presenting them as victims of the government". He described this "massacre-marketing strategy" as being "among the most disgusting things that I have ever experienced in an armed conflict" http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html So you fully support killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort?

dsaber 13y ago
> FACT: the overwhelming majority of Syrians support the current government & voted for them in independently observed free elections. Had you even lived in Syria, you'd realize how it's virtually impossible to get an accurate and true poll. There's absolutely no freedom of expression. Citizens don't trust each other. There's around 275 intelligence officers for each Syrian citizen. The country is littered with the picture of the ruling Assad mafia that's shoved down the throat of all citizens. The vast majority of Syrians are scared to death of government. I know this, since not only have I lived there, I have many relatives and friends who have been either imprisoned, tortured, or exiled for simply speaking out. Obviously, the government does have some support, but it's vast majority of supporters are beneficiaries of the government or are dependent on the government for their source of income. Add to that the brainwashing and fear the government has instilled in its own citizens for over 40 years, and it's not surprising to see such reports. > Where are videos - have you verified them? Yes, many of those videos have been verified. > So you fully support killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort? What a ridiculous question. You very well know my position about advocating for the rights and freedom of civilians. But, that question demonstrates many of the classic logical fallacies in your entire argument. The Syrian government has been terrorizing its own citizens before your claimed propaganda efforts were in the picture. Sure, there are players that are now taking advantage of the situation, but that doesn't invalidate the claim that the main responsible party in the destruction of the country is the Syrian regime, which has allowed other parties to take advantage.
- kmcd 13y ago
  Gotcha! You are clearly not who you claim to be. You're either a liar or a shill. You created your profile a day ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=dsaber https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=dsaber I note that you are unable to engage in any of the critical issues. > Had you even lived in Syria You've never lived in Syria - you're a fake. Contact me directly & I'll get one of my Syrian friends to have a chat with you. What were the main electoral issues for the 2012 elections? > Yes, many of those videos have been verified. You have failed to provide any evidence of this. You dont seem to understand the difference between assertion & fact. Facts & evidence please - not assertion. > There's around 275 intelligence officers for each Syrian citizen 275 * 20.82 million citizens = 5500 million intelligence officers? You're an idiot. > You very well know my position about advocating for the rights and freedom of civilians. NO, we don't know your position. > , that question demonstrates many of the classic logical fallacies in your entire argument. Such as? Yeah, didn't think so. If you even knew what a logical fallacy was you would have stated it. > What a ridiculous question. You don't seem to understand a rhetorical question. So I'll put it more clearly for you: You are supporting killing civilians to aid a propaganda effort. Again, we note that you do not acknowledge the fact that: - NATO backed death squads were responsible for the Houla massacre; - western media tried to blame the Syrian government; - western media ignored the UN report exonerating the Syrian government; > your claimed propaganda efforts There's nothing claimed - the propaganda effort is a FACT. Also the death & destruction on the ground is not claimed, it's a fact. > the main responsible party in the destruction of the country is the Syrian regime Yet again, incorrect. Snipers from Dagestan armed with US produced M40A3 rifles started shooting civilians in 2011. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27955.htm http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27955.htm http://www.ozyism.com/2011/12/us-sniper-squad-caught-on-video-in.html http://www.ozyism.com/2011/12/us-sniper-squad-caught-on-vide... There are over 300 European mercenaries languishing in Syrian jails: http://www.ozyism.com/2012/06/40-german-arms-smugglers-arrested-in.html http://www.ozyism.com/2012/06/40-german-arms-smugglers-arres... There are over 20000 Foreign Mercenaries in Syria: http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-uncleared-war-nearly-20000-foreign-mercenaries-fight-in-syria/5330977 http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-uncleared-war-nearly-2... http://www.kurdnas.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=371:us-helping-to-train-and-arm-islamic-mercenaries-to-fight-in-syria&catid=36:reports1&Itemid=56 http://www.kurdnas.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&v... A United Nations Independent Commission, has confirmed that: - contractors hired by the Pentagon were training the terrorists in the use of chemical weapons; - terrorists possess sarin nerve gas, which they are using against the civilian population https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=United+Nations+Independent+Commission+syria+sarin+gas&aq=f&oq=United+Nations+Independent+Commission+syria+sarin+gas&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l3.8097j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=United+Nations+Independent... http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-contractors-have-trained-the-terrorists-in-the-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-syria/5334394 http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-contractors-have-train... Furthermore, Qatar has been implicated in a plot to procure chemical weapons from a UK security company for use by the death squads, hoping to blame the government. http://www.infowars.com/hack-reveals-washington-approved-plan-to-stage-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/ http://www.infowars.com/hack-reveals-washington-approved-pla... All of which you seem quite happy with. It is obvious you have no empathy for the suffering of the Syrian people & fully support the killing of civilians by NATO death squads.