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Clojure, I used to do Python with Django or Flask. HTML/CSS aren't optional so I don't know why you included that in the list. I've tried Node.js, hated it.

zalew 13y ago
could you describe your experience switching from python to clojure in web dev?
- codewright 13y ago
  More powerful language (primitives, concision, macros), more performance (JVM fun-ness). Some aspects of the JVM (slow-start) are icky but the tooling works around it (in-runtime auto-reload without restarting the JVM). I'm a grumpy old CL'er so I was waiting for something like Clojure to come along anyway.
  - zalew 13y ago
    tx, but I meant the toolset and ecosystem, not the language features. popular frameworks, libs, out of the box solutions, opensource community, etc. - is clojure rich in this matter?
    - codewright 13y ago
      It's not as good as Python yet but rapidly getting better. There's an excellent SQL abstraction library (Korma), Ring makes for a nice WSGI equivalent, Compojure and Clabango combined give you a Flask'ish experience, and there are a goodly number of Forms and validation libraries. Some like to use CLJS on the frontend. There are libraries out there for making that nice. I usually use vanilla jQuery or Angular on the frontend, no CLJS. You need get more specific with your queries, I'm not going to write a novel at the merest hint.
      - zalew 13y ago
        tx. I was curious how it'd look like to replicate an example full stack of a Python project and you basically covered it. I remeber looking around some time ago and then Noir looked like the go to framework for Clojure, but now it seems discontinued. gotta try CL some day.
        codewright 13y ago
        CL is Common Lisp. The go-to for Clojure is Luminus, which is less of a framework and more of a "web best practices" project template.
        zalew 13y ago
        oops, I meant CLojure :D not very fluent in the Lisp department. tx for the tips.

zalew 13y ago

could you describe your experience switching from python to clojure in web dev?

codewright 13y ago
More powerful language (primitives, concision, macros), more performance (JVM fun-ness). Some aspects of the JVM (slow-start) are icky but the tooling works around it (in-runtime auto-reload without restarting the JVM). I'm a grumpy old CL'er so I was waiting for something like Clojure to come along anyway.
- zalew 13y ago
  tx, but I meant the toolset and ecosystem, not the language features. popular frameworks, libs, out of the box solutions, opensource community, etc. - is clojure rich in this matter?
  - codewright 13y ago
    It's not as good as Python yet but rapidly getting better. There's an excellent SQL abstraction library (Korma), Ring makes for a nice WSGI equivalent, Compojure and Clabango combined give you a Flask'ish experience, and there are a goodly number of Forms and validation libraries. Some like to use CLJS on the frontend. There are libraries out there for making that nice. I usually use vanilla jQuery or Angular on the frontend, no CLJS. You need get more specific with your queries, I'm not going to write a novel at the merest hint.
    - zalew 13y ago
      tx. I was curious how it'd look like to replicate an example full stack of a Python project and you basically covered it. I remeber looking around some time ago and then Noir looked like the go to framework for Clojure, but now it seems discontinued. gotta try CL some day.
      - codewright 13y ago
        CL is Common Lisp. The go-to for Clojure is Luminus, which is less of a framework and more of a "web best practices" project template.
        zalew 13y ago
        oops, I meant CLojure :D not very fluent in the Lisp department. tx for the tips.