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On the 2nd picture he has sunglasses, but not on the 1st or 3rd...? Completely different guy ?

by wjk 13y ago

joewee 13y ago
You can't tell if he is wearing the sunglasses in the other shots. And the likelihood of two sets of guys walking around fitting the same description?
- anigbrowl 13y ago
  I think the likelihood of two guys with white baseball caps at a crowded event in the USA is actually pretty high. EDIT: after finding the higher-resolution photos, it's almost certainly the same 2 guys in each pic. On the other hand, the descriptors label him/them as moving, when my impression is that they're just standing there. Worthy of study, sure, but pretty weak sauce by itself.
  - j4_james 13y ago
    They're definitely moving. In the first picture, they're standing next to the lamp post near the tree (you can see the branches on the left). Also note the no stopping sign facing inwards. In the last picture, they've moved further away from the finish line to the next lamp post - you can see the first lamp post and tree in the background. Also note the no stopping sign on the second lamp post is facing the road. Less obviously, you can see the Slovakia flag, third to the left of the lamp post in the first picture. Harder to make out in the second picture, but it's clearly a white/blue/red tricolor.
    - anigbrowl 13y ago
      I guess we mean different things by 'moving'. They certainly moved from where they were in the first picture, which shows a fairly thinly populated area. My impression is that they hadn't yet chosen their vantage point, perhaps having just arrived. But in the later pictures, they appear to be standing still and watching the runners with everyone else. When I say they don't seem to be moving, I mean they don't appear to be moving relative to the crowd around them, eg departing the area. I'm guessing they're not significant because while they first drew attention for both carrying heavy-looking bags (a black backpack and a blue duffel), that may be a subconscious bias towards the fact that there were two explosions. On the other hand, the two explosions were separated by a city block; so unless one or both of them were spotted a similar distance away from the start point, the fact of the two big bags is probably just coincidence. So many people were taking photos and video that by the time the investigation is done, I imagine there'll be a patchy but contiguous animation of people's movements through the area, at which point it'll be far easier to spot dichotomies in behavior between race viewers and the criminal(s) that carried out the bombing.
      - j4_james 13y ago
        Fair enough. I agree that they haven't moved between pictures 2 and 3. But I thought the point was that they were out of range by then, so there would be no need to go any further. Although I must admit that explanation seems highly unlikely.
whbk 13y ago
He has them on in all three pictures, can tell in the hi-res pictures posted here: http://imgur.com/a/fGxIR http://imgur.com/a/fGxIR
VLM 13y ago
Something that I'm curious about is the officially release pixs show it used RC car stuff. Some official newspaper type places are already claiming it was a lone-gunman scenario for no apparent reason. Whats never explained is how a dude carrying two backpacks plus another backpack of short range RC car transmitters wasn't noticed carrying three bulky bags and crossing the street to plant both. Also where did the dude go to use two bulky RC car transmitters to set off the bombs? Can't be far away. Portapotties? Look for one with two RC car transmitters dropped in them? I would imagine that would help with DNA analysis too, having 1000s of peoples samples in there. So the vigilantes need to find pix of the portapotties, which I suspect were within a a hundred feet of the blasts. In fact their location combined with the predicted blast size probably defined where the blasts happened as the bombers would want to be just outta range of the blast while still having a great RC car signal. TLDR is the witch hunt should be searching for two guys with bulky backpacks and one guy with a weirdly shaped pack who left the portapotties with a much smaller backpack right after the two booms.

On the 2nd picture he has sunglasses, but not on the 1st or 3rd...? Completely different guy ?

by wjk 13y ago

On the 2nd picture he has sunglasses, but not on the 1st or 3rd...? Completely different guy ?

You can't tell if he is wearing the sunglasses in the other shots. And the likelihood of two sets of guys walking around fitting the same description?

anigbrowl 13y ago
I think the likelihood of two guys with white baseball caps at a crowded event in the USA is actually pretty high. EDIT: after finding the higher-resolution photos, it's almost certainly the same 2 guys in each pic. On the other hand, the descriptors label him/them as moving, when my impression is that they're just standing there. Worthy of study, sure, but pretty weak sauce by itself.
- j4_james 13y ago
  They're definitely moving. In the first picture, they're standing next to the lamp post near the tree (you can see the branches on the left). Also note the no stopping sign facing inwards. In the last picture, they've moved further away from the finish line to the next lamp post - you can see the first lamp post and tree in the background. Also note the no stopping sign on the second lamp post is facing the road. Less obviously, you can see the Slovakia flag, third to the left of the lamp post in the first picture. Harder to make out in the second picture, but it's clearly a white/blue/red tricolor.
  - anigbrowl 13y ago
    I guess we mean different things by 'moving'. They certainly moved from where they were in the first picture, which shows a fairly thinly populated area. My impression is that they hadn't yet chosen their vantage point, perhaps having just arrived. But in the later pictures, they appear to be standing still and watching the runners with everyone else. When I say they don't seem to be moving, I mean they don't appear to be moving relative to the crowd around them, eg departing the area. I'm guessing they're not significant because while they first drew attention for both carrying heavy-looking bags (a black backpack and a blue duffel), that may be a subconscious bias towards the fact that there were two explosions. On the other hand, the two explosions were separated by a city block; so unless one or both of them were spotted a similar distance away from the start point, the fact of the two big bags is probably just coincidence. So many people were taking photos and video that by the time the investigation is done, I imagine there'll be a patchy but contiguous animation of people's movements through the area, at which point it'll be far easier to spot dichotomies in behavior between race viewers and the criminal(s) that carried out the bombing.
    - j4_james 13y ago
      Fair enough. I agree that they haven't moved between pictures 2 and 3. But I thought the point was that they were out of range by then, so there would be no need to go any further. Although I must admit that explanation seems highly unlikely.

whbk 13y ago

He has them on in all three pictures, can tell in the hi-res pictures posted here: http://imgur.com/a/fGxIR http://imgur.com/a/fGxIR

VLM 13y ago

Something that I'm curious about is the officially release pixs show it used RC car stuff. Some official newspaper type places are already claiming it was a lone-gunman scenario for no apparent reason. Whats never explained is how a dude carrying two backpacks plus another backpack of short range RC car transmitters wasn't noticed carrying three bulky bags and crossing the street to plant both. Also where did the dude go to use two bulky RC car transmitters to set off the bombs? Can't be far away. Portapotties? Look for one with two RC car transmitters dropped in them? I would imagine that would help with DNA analysis too, having 1000s of peoples samples in there. So the vigilantes need to find pix of the portapotties, which I suspect were within a a hundred feet of the blasts. In fact their location combined with the predicted blast size probably defined where the blasts happened as the bombers would want to be just outta range of the blast while still having a great RC car signal. TLDR is the witch hunt should be searching for two guys with bulky backpacks and one guy with a weirdly shaped pack who left the portapotties with a much smaller backpack right after the two booms.