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God forbid we should mildly redesign the irc semantics so that splits don't allow you to take over channels or collide clients off. I mean it's only been a big

by trotsky 13y ago

God forbid we should mildly redesign the irc semantics so that splits don't allow you to take over channels or collide clients off. I mean it's only been a big enough problem for 20 years now that you can't even host an ircd on most standard hosting contracts.

jpswade 13y ago
This isn't an issue with the IRC RFC. This is a deliberate choice by EFnet, it's part of it's culture and bravado. You won't see this on Freenode.
- trotsky 13y ago
  I'm not an expert, but isn't it more accurate to say that freenodes and other networks have "patched" the flaw via chanserv and nickserv bots to mitigate the problems with the network model? I know efnet doesn't want formalized chan/nick ownership, but they clearly dont like being the world's #1 ddos sink. Why not just include a master network quorum function and a grace period under which reattached networks don't get to merge their mode changes.
  - jpswade 13y ago
    They mostly fixed the channel problems with CHANFIX. This isn't really about that though.
xpose2000 13y ago
Efnet has had chanfix for quite awhile now, which makes taking over channels from a split much harder, if not impossible.
- trotsky 13y ago
  Really? Hmm. It has been 5+ years for me, my bad. But what's the point of the ddos's then? I see netflow graphs of huge attacks on major efnet servers on a regular basis.
  - xpose2000 13y ago
    I'm honestly not sure why people still DDOS servers these days. Maybe just fun and games, it is EFnet after all. Not too long ago there was an ircd exploit that killed servers and split 100% of efnet, which had never happened before. Not to mention its down 50% of its user base from a few years ago. Tough times for efnet.
  - ahf 13y ago
    Kiddies are DDoS'ing to annoy other users and to prove that they are capable of taking down the nodes. All servers on the largest IRC networks are very well connected to the internet and servers that are not, wont be able to last long on these networks. Some IRC servers wont allow you to create new IRC channels during a network split, so an attack where the network is being split constantly can cause quite a lot of annoyance for the rest of the users.
- ranieuwe 13y ago
  and nick collides are history too with TS being implemented
TestingYourShit 13y ago
This is way off topic and not even correct. I suggest you check your facts before submitting comments.

by trotsky 13y ago

jpswade 13y ago

This isn't an issue with the IRC RFC. This is a deliberate choice by EFnet, it's part of it's culture and bravado. You won't see this on Freenode.

trotsky 13y ago
I'm not an expert, but isn't it more accurate to say that freenodes and other networks have "patched" the flaw via chanserv and nickserv bots to mitigate the problems with the network model? I know efnet doesn't want formalized chan/nick ownership, but they clearly dont like being the world's #1 ddos sink. Why not just include a master network quorum function and a grace period under which reattached networks don't get to merge their mode changes.
- jpswade 13y ago
  They mostly fixed the channel problems with CHANFIX. This isn't really about that though.

xpose2000 13y ago

Efnet has had chanfix for quite awhile now, which makes taking over channels from a split much harder, if not impossible.

trotsky 13y ago
Really? Hmm. It has been 5+ years for me, my bad. But what's the point of the ddos's then? I see netflow graphs of huge attacks on major efnet servers on a regular basis.
- xpose2000 13y ago
  I'm honestly not sure why people still DDOS servers these days. Maybe just fun and games, it is EFnet after all. Not too long ago there was an ircd exploit that killed servers and split 100% of efnet, which had never happened before. Not to mention its down 50% of its user base from a few years ago. Tough times for efnet.
- ahf 13y ago
  Kiddies are DDoS'ing to annoy other users and to prove that they are capable of taking down the nodes. All servers on the largest IRC networks are very well connected to the internet and servers that are not, wont be able to last long on these networks. Some IRC servers wont allow you to create new IRC channels during a network split, so an attack where the network is being split constantly can cause quite a lot of annoyance for the rest of the users.
ranieuwe 13y ago
and nick collides are history too with TS being implemented

TestingYourShit 13y ago

This is way off topic and not even correct. I suggest you check your facts before submitting comments.