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Hi. Savagedm came in here to sing your praises. I just wanted to let you know--before you graciously acknowledge his adulation--that he represents a large and f

Hi. Savagedm came in here to sing your praises. I just wanted to let you know--before you graciously acknowledge his adulation--that he represents a large and fairly freaky population of misogynists on reddit who typically congregate in http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/ http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/, and who have an especially sharp hatred for feminists of any stripe (be they ever so humble). The giveaway is > Women frequently engage in behaviour that, when mirrored in men, would be called out for sexist. One point I was discussing with the girl I currently am dating is that there needs to now be a "mens' [sic] rights movement" similar to what women have accomplished [...] Don't be fooled. The Men's Rights subreddit is just thinly veiled misogyny, often with some white supremacy thrown in the mix. Just go browse the sub--don't take my word for it. Some of your comments suggest you might fit in over there. Then again, maybe not.

danielweber 14y ago
God damn. Can you two keep your fight someplace else?
IheartApplesDix 14y ago
I have browsed the subreddit. It's quite apparent that it's easy to derail actual social progress on controversial issues by a few provocateurs. Yes, there is pendulum, and it does have a tendency to swing. Your green name suggests that you're attempting to provoke a response, now you have one. Take your thinly veiled ad hominem attack back to reddit.
exit 14y ago
> The giveaway is > Women frequently engage in behaviour that, when mirrored in men, would be called out for sexist. One point I was discussing with the girl I currently am dating is that there needs to now be a "mens' [sic] rights movement" similar to what women have accomplished [...] what does that giveaway? how did you unpack "an especially sharp hatred of feminists" from that statement?
bobwaycott 14y ago
> Some of your comments suggest you might fit in over there. Then again, maybe not. Absolutely not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5410463 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5410463 Please forgive my apparent failure at explaining clearly enough that I was not attempting to draw some sort of straw man argument that "women do it, so it can't be sexist". That's an inherently faulty and pointless line of argumentation (a case of tu quoque, I believe). My specific contention was this particular case, and only used the examples I did with regard to women as further examples of things that are said "at times and in places that are not appropriate", but are not sexist. They are simply examples of impolite female conversation in certain places/times that shouldn't happen--just as much as similar conversations should not be had by men in inappropriate times/places. That is all.
- truthtacular 14y ago
  Yeah, just saw your reply to our "pal" from /r/mensrights. I was wrong about you--wrong to imply you might harbor misogynist impulses. I apologize for the remark and accept that you, sir, are awesomesauce.
  - techgeekery 14y ago
    Wow, typical hypersensitive Reddit feminist... quick to jump in and spout lies without actually reading the content of the comment you're replying to.
    - bobwaycott 14y ago
      Whoa, whoa, whoa. There's really no reason to go tossing pejoratives around. Honestly now, that really crosses the line beyond having civil, even if contentious, discussion and disagreement--and starts to make things here sound too much like the Reddit thread I just found on this issue, where the comments have deteriorated into a bunch of obscene name-calling. To provide a different perspective, I took the message as attempting to provide a cautionary bit of context, lest I be swept away by internet adulation. Or were you being sarcastic? If so, my apologies. It's rather difficult to tell.
nawitus 14y ago
"fairly freaky population of misogynists on reddit" Wrong. "Don't be fooled. The Men's Rights subreddit is just thinly veiled misogyny, often with some white supremacy thrown in the mix." Wrong.
- BHSPitMonkey 14y ago
  I understand this thread is triggering a Reddit mentality in a lot of people due to the overlap, but just for the purpose of clarification: Comment replies that do nothing more than say "Wrong." and leave it at that really don't have a place here.
  - nawitus 14y ago
    My point was to show how the original comment didn't actually argue for anything, it just made some baseless and quite offensive accusations.

danielweber 14y ago

God damn. Can you two keep your fight someplace else?

IheartApplesDix 14y ago

I have browsed the subreddit. It's quite apparent that it's easy to derail actual social progress on controversial issues by a few provocateurs. Yes, there is pendulum, and it does have a tendency to swing. Your green name suggests that you're attempting to provoke a response, now you have one. Take your thinly veiled ad hominem attack back to reddit.

exit 14y ago

> The giveaway is > Women frequently engage in behaviour that, when mirrored in men, would be called out for sexist. One point I was discussing with the girl I currently am dating is that there needs to now be a "mens' [sic] rights movement" similar to what women have accomplished [...] what does that giveaway? how did you unpack "an especially sharp hatred of feminists" from that statement?

bobwaycott 14y ago

> Some of your comments suggest you might fit in over there. Then again, maybe not. Absolutely not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5410463 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5410463 Please forgive my apparent failure at explaining clearly enough that I was not attempting to draw some sort of straw man argument that "women do it, so it can't be sexist". That's an inherently faulty and pointless line of argumentation (a case of tu quoque, I believe). My specific contention was this particular case, and only used the examples I did with regard to women as further examples of things that are said "at times and in places that are not appropriate", but are not sexist. They are simply examples of impolite female conversation in certain places/times that shouldn't happen--just as much as similar conversations should not be had by men in inappropriate times/places. That is all.

truthtacular 14y ago
Yeah, just saw your reply to our "pal" from /r/mensrights. I was wrong about you--wrong to imply you might harbor misogynist impulses. I apologize for the remark and accept that you, sir, are awesomesauce.
- techgeekery 14y ago
  Wow, typical hypersensitive Reddit feminist... quick to jump in and spout lies without actually reading the content of the comment you're replying to.
  - bobwaycott 14y ago
    Whoa, whoa, whoa. There's really no reason to go tossing pejoratives around. Honestly now, that really crosses the line beyond having civil, even if contentious, discussion and disagreement--and starts to make things here sound too much like the Reddit thread I just found on this issue, where the comments have deteriorated into a bunch of obscene name-calling. To provide a different perspective, I took the message as attempting to provide a cautionary bit of context, lest I be swept away by internet adulation. Or were you being sarcastic? If so, my apologies. It's rather difficult to tell.

nawitus 14y ago

"fairly freaky population of misogynists on reddit" Wrong. "Don't be fooled. The Men's Rights subreddit is just thinly veiled misogyny, often with some white supremacy thrown in the mix." Wrong.

BHSPitMonkey 14y ago
I understand this thread is triggering a Reddit mentality in a lot of people due to the overlap, but just for the purpose of clarification: Comment replies that do nothing more than say "Wrong." and leave it at that really don't have a place here.
- nawitus 14y ago
  My point was to show how the original comment didn't actually argue for anything, it just made some baseless and quite offensive accusations.