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VCs are startups too

34 points by jtriest 14y ago

msandford 14y ago
Everyone's life FEELS hard, especially compared to the lives of those a few rungs up the ladder. That said, not everyone's life IS hard. If you can afford not to take a paycheck for a few months to work on a dream, perhaps you should recalibrate your "how hard life is"-o-meter.
- jtriest 14y ago
  Was simply explaining how we as a firm view our relationships with founders of other startups... I'm grateful for everything I have.
  - msandford 14y ago
    Sure, I'm not saying that you don't provide value and you don't go to work every day. But remember, your business is much more about idea/team/market/execution arbitrage in a fairly illiquid environment than it is about doing the actual dirty work. VC is much more a meta-business than a "regular" business.
- robk 14y ago
  VC fundraising is very similar to startup fundraising at least. Lots and lots of rejection, continuous pitching and substitute "traction" for "track record".
mikeryan 14y ago
No they're a small investment business. There's a lot of small businesses that aren't "startups" that do a lot of the same things that Startups do but opening a McDonald's franchise isn't a startup either. I run a small agency of about 10 folks, I'm sure I do a lot of the same things as a startup founder does, we work with startups all the time, but that doesn't make my business a startup. Hey we're all entrepreneurs though.
- gamblor956 14y ago
  A startup is any business which is starting up (as in starting its primary revenue-generating business activity). Technology has nothing to do with it. Your agency isn't a startup because it has already doing its primary revenue-generating business activity. This is, and for many decades has been, the definition of "startup" in the tax code. (Some tax codes limit the "startup" period to the period before the startup becomes generating revenue from its primary business activity.)
_bpo 14y ago
This would be somewhat easier to swallow without the picture of the boat.
- jtriest 14y ago
  i wouldn't recommend trying to swallow the post... causes indigestion.
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pytrin 14y ago
This post just helps reinforce the opinion that most VCs don't really know what startups do. Yes, they both raise money and some even have a website. That's where the similarities end. With some outliers, most VCs don't try to create new value, they just try to create new money. The risk they take is minimal compared to startups - it's not their money (it's their investors), and a nice cushy salary is all but assured for several years. Even when they fail (and they fail a lot - like most businesses do) - they barely feel each failure compared to how the startups feel it (I guess their reputation / pride takes a hit?). If you want to self promote - as an entrepreneur, I would much rather read about how you are adding value instead of convincing me you don't know what I do either.
- jtriest 14y ago
  before you make assumptions i'd check facts and/or inquire. our first fund was all of our own capital. we took 100% of the risk. didn't take ANY salary let alone a "cushy one" as for our added value, feel free to reach out to ANY of the founders we've invested in.
  - jtriest 14y ago
    and i'd argue that the majority of vcs we syndicate deals with leverage themselves as much as possible to add value. good companies generally have their choice as to which money to accept. value add is key...
  - pytrin 14y ago
    You wrote a post about VCs in general. VCs in general raise money to create the fund and then manage it. When you invest your own money, you are typically considered an "angel" investor. It might be semantics, but I'm sure you're aware of those definitions. And if you have enough money to start a real VC fund by yourself, chances are that you don't really need a salary... as opposed to bootstrapped startups that are just barely scraping by.
    - crapshoot101 14y ago
      This is just flat-out untrue. VC firms put in a significant chunk of their own funds into this - we're not talking peanuts here, we're talking about millions from general partners in some cases. This obviously differs from firm to firm, but the semantic about angel investing vs VC is just wrong.
2pasc 14y ago
If Startup=Growth, as PG said, then VCs are not startups, apart from YC and possibly 500 Startups. Cool portfolio of Companies though!
ISL 14y ago
That's a beautiful boat. Perhaps not a first choice in heavy seas, but pretty nonetheless.
chaselee 14y ago
Jonathon's had a lot of portfolio success, has a great sense of humor, and is awesome to work with. Whether or not he runs a startup, I don't know, it's mostly semantics IMO, but I do know I'd go back to him at every raise. I think the point he's trying to make is that he's "one of the guys" and therefore an entrepreneur-friendly VC. I'd agree wholeheartedly. He also has a ninja-like backhand in table tennis.

34 points by jtriest 14y ago

Everyone's life FEELS hard, especially compared to the lives of those a few rungs up the ladder. That said, not everyone's life IS hard. If you can afford not to take a paycheck for a few months to work on a dream, perhaps you should recalibrate your "how hard life is"-o-meter.

jtriest 14y ago
Was simply explaining how we as a firm view our relationships with founders of other startups... I'm grateful for everything I have.
- msandford 14y ago
  Sure, I'm not saying that you don't provide value and you don't go to work every day. But remember, your business is much more about idea/team/market/execution arbitrage in a fairly illiquid environment than it is about doing the actual dirty work. VC is much more a meta-business than a "regular" business.
robk 14y ago
VC fundraising is very similar to startup fundraising at least. Lots and lots of rejection, continuous pitching and substitute "traction" for "track record".

mikeryan 14y ago

No they're a small investment business. There's a lot of small businesses that aren't "startups" that do a lot of the same things that Startups do but opening a McDonald's franchise isn't a startup either. I run a small agency of about 10 folks, I'm sure I do a lot of the same things as a startup founder does, we work with startups all the time, but that doesn't make my business a startup. Hey we're all entrepreneurs though.

gamblor956 14y ago
A startup is any business which is starting up (as in starting its primary revenue-generating business activity). Technology has nothing to do with it. Your agency isn't a startup because it has already doing its primary revenue-generating business activity. This is, and for many decades has been, the definition of "startup" in the tax code. (Some tax codes limit the "startup" period to the period before the startup becomes generating revenue from its primary business activity.)

_bpo 14y ago

This would be somewhat easier to swallow without the picture of the boat.

jtriest 14y ago
i wouldn't recommend trying to swallow the post... causes indigestion.
- deleted 14y ago
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pytrin 14y ago

This post just helps reinforce the opinion that most VCs don't really know what startups do. Yes, they both raise money and some even have a website. That's where the similarities end. With some outliers, most VCs don't try to create new value, they just try to create new money. The risk they take is minimal compared to startups - it's not their money (it's their investors), and a nice cushy salary is all but assured for several years. Even when they fail (and they fail a lot - like most businesses do) - they barely feel each failure compared to how the startups feel it (I guess their reputation / pride takes a hit?). If you want to self promote - as an entrepreneur, I would much rather read about how you are adding value instead of convincing me you don't know what I do either.

jtriest 14y ago
before you make assumptions i'd check facts and/or inquire. our first fund was all of our own capital. we took 100% of the risk. didn't take ANY salary let alone a "cushy one" as for our added value, feel free to reach out to ANY of the founders we've invested in.
- jtriest 14y ago
  and i'd argue that the majority of vcs we syndicate deals with leverage themselves as much as possible to add value. good companies generally have their choice as to which money to accept. value add is key...
- pytrin 14y ago
  You wrote a post about VCs in general. VCs in general raise money to create the fund and then manage it. When you invest your own money, you are typically considered an "angel" investor. It might be semantics, but I'm sure you're aware of those definitions. And if you have enough money to start a real VC fund by yourself, chances are that you don't really need a salary... as opposed to bootstrapped startups that are just barely scraping by.
  - crapshoot101 14y ago
    This is just flat-out untrue. VC firms put in a significant chunk of their own funds into this - we're not talking peanuts here, we're talking about millions from general partners in some cases. This obviously differs from firm to firm, but the semantic about angel investing vs VC is just wrong.

2pasc 14y ago

If Startup=Growth, as PG said, then VCs are not startups, apart from YC and possibly 500 Startups. Cool portfolio of Companies though!

ISL 14y ago

That's a beautiful boat. Perhaps not a first choice in heavy seas, but pretty nonetheless.

chaselee 14y ago

Jonathon's had a lot of portfolio success, has a great sense of humor, and is awesome to work with. Whether or not he runs a startup, I don't know, it's mostly semantics IMO, but I do know I'd go back to him at every raise. I think the point he's trying to make is that he's "one of the guys" and therefore an entrepreneur-friendly VC. I'd agree wholeheartedly. He also has a ninja-like backhand in table tennis.