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"and would urge everyone to go a little easier on her." She is aware of her behavior and that she overreacts, and also has to take responsibility when she choo

"and would urge everyone to go a little easier on her." She is aware of her behavior and that she overreacts, and also has to take responsibility when she chooses to be a public figure. She makes her choices very clear, and her actions have very real repercussions, just as her childhood experiences had repercussions on her.

tobych 14y ago
Exactly. Hopefully she can get some therapy and learn how better to deal with her triggers.
- Zoonie 14y ago
  Heavy sigh. This is the crux of the matter, people. The NSPCC in the UK reports that 30% of girls (and I think you can therefore extend that to women) admit to having been subjected to sexualised assault. And that's admit. Who knows what the true figure is. As your female friends, or indeed, if you are female, have you yourself been assaulted? Now, imagine for a moment sitting in a conference, which is a known space where all kinds of offensive remarks and behaviour toward women occur, which absolutely puts women off going to conferences, or speaking at them. Then the guys next to you make jokes which are sexist, provocative... Potentially nasty... With absolutely no awareness or maturity. Nothing in them thinks 'Well maybe some of the women who are sitting around me might not just be offended by my sexist banter, but might actively be reminded of awful examples of trust abuse'. Of course not! Why would any guy think that? I mean come on, deal with it women, if you have issues! You can listen to us talking about women in an offensive way in public, surely? That's not an unconscious assertion of power, I mean come on! You're being paranoid! 30%.Just remember that. By the way, me personally, I would have told them to stop being ass holes. However, many women would not. Many women would silently put up with that kind of horse-shit, as Tey do, daily. You really have to wake up, guys. Wake Up. It's not you, who are spending your lives looking over your shoulders. It really isn't. So. Whilst I do not agree it was the best of actions, I wholly defend the right of anyone to take it. And will therefore stand by them if they do.
  - naasking 14y ago
    > You really have to wake up, guys. Wake Up. It's not you, who are spending your lives looking over your shoulders. It really isn't. So. Whilst I do not agree it was the best of actions, I wholly defend the right of anyone to take it. And will therefore stand by them if they do. I just want to highlight that you're supporting an exaggerated public shaming for people who were just exchanging words in a semi-private conversation. Not even particularly offensive words at that. Words that are and were clearly misconstrued. And you defend this behaviour because many women suffer sexual abuse? Tell me, should preachers be forbidden from speaking in public because some people were caned by priests as children too? Should visible minorities be cautious around everyone because some people have been mugged by black men? Joking around is immature, particularly sexist and racist humour, but it's not irresponsible. Suggesting that public witch-hunts are the way to solve these problems is just plain irresponsible.
    - jimbo-juiicee 13y ago
      Just no, her behavior was unacceptable, she got him fired via publicizing the event not because of his actions, she demonstrated she's clearly emotionally unstable and she should be avoided in the future by companies,as for women have to spend their whole lives looking over their shoulders? I'm sure you don't realize this but 1) it was in front of 100s of people in public she could have easily told him to shut up. And 2) men make up the vast majority of every single crime except sexual assult, so don't act like this world is a safehaven for men and a everyday warzone for women, what she did, was clearly out of order, how would you like to get your family and career destroyed for making a slightly crude non-sexist joke?
  - Jdes1007 13y ago
    I doubt that one guy joking about dongles constitutes a sexist comment. Also 25% of people who drive have been in a car accident. So should I think "Maybe some of the people sitting next to me have been in car accidents, and me talking about cars might remind them of a traumatic experience?" While what the men did was immature and inappropriate it didn't require the response it did. Also 20% of men have also been sexually assaulted at some point in their lives, also it been shown that men are a lot less likely to report it then woman so we can only guess how high that number is. So men can also be looking over their shoulders. All the things you're saying can also be flipped around to men. We should be aware of offending anyone not just women. I don't think you should use the phrases "known space" and "absolutely" those aren't proved facts. The bottom line is that, that one guy was being immature, but it didn't constitute him getting fired he never mentioned females in any offensive manner.

tobych 14y ago

Exactly. Hopefully she can get some therapy and learn how better to deal with her triggers.

Zoonie 14y ago
Heavy sigh. This is the crux of the matter, people. The NSPCC in the UK reports that 30% of girls (and I think you can therefore extend that to women) admit to having been subjected to sexualised assault. And that's admit. Who knows what the true figure is. As your female friends, or indeed, if you are female, have you yourself been assaulted? Now, imagine for a moment sitting in a conference, which is a known space where all kinds of offensive remarks and behaviour toward women occur, which absolutely puts women off going to conferences, or speaking at them. Then the guys next to you make jokes which are sexist, provocative... Potentially nasty... With absolutely no awareness or maturity. Nothing in them thinks 'Well maybe some of the women who are sitting around me might not just be offended by my sexist banter, but might actively be reminded of awful examples of trust abuse'. Of course not! Why would any guy think that? I mean come on, deal with it women, if you have issues! You can listen to us talking about women in an offensive way in public, surely? That's not an unconscious assertion of power, I mean come on! You're being paranoid! 30%.Just remember that. By the way, me personally, I would have told them to stop being ass holes. However, many women would not. Many women would silently put up with that kind of horse-shit, as Tey do, daily. You really have to wake up, guys. Wake Up. It's not you, who are spending your lives looking over your shoulders. It really isn't. So. Whilst I do not agree it was the best of actions, I wholly defend the right of anyone to take it. And will therefore stand by them if they do.
- naasking 14y ago
  > You really have to wake up, guys. Wake Up. It's not you, who are spending your lives looking over your shoulders. It really isn't. So. Whilst I do not agree it was the best of actions, I wholly defend the right of anyone to take it. And will therefore stand by them if they do. I just want to highlight that you're supporting an exaggerated public shaming for people who were just exchanging words in a semi-private conversation. Not even particularly offensive words at that. Words that are and were clearly misconstrued. And you defend this behaviour because many women suffer sexual abuse? Tell me, should preachers be forbidden from speaking in public because some people were caned by priests as children too? Should visible minorities be cautious around everyone because some people have been mugged by black men? Joking around is immature, particularly sexist and racist humour, but it's not irresponsible. Suggesting that public witch-hunts are the way to solve these problems is just plain irresponsible.
  - jimbo-juiicee 13y ago
    Just no, her behavior was unacceptable, she got him fired via publicizing the event not because of his actions, she demonstrated she's clearly emotionally unstable and she should be avoided in the future by companies,as for women have to spend their whole lives looking over their shoulders? I'm sure you don't realize this but 1) it was in front of 100s of people in public she could have easily told him to shut up. And 2) men make up the vast majority of every single crime except sexual assult, so don't act like this world is a safehaven for men and a everyday warzone for women, what she did, was clearly out of order, how would you like to get your family and career destroyed for making a slightly crude non-sexist joke?
- Jdes1007 13y ago
  I doubt that one guy joking about dongles constitutes a sexist comment. Also 25% of people who drive have been in a car accident. So should I think "Maybe some of the people sitting next to me have been in car accidents, and me talking about cars might remind them of a traumatic experience?" While what the men did was immature and inappropriate it didn't require the response it did. Also 20% of men have also been sexually assaulted at some point in their lives, also it been shown that men are a lot less likely to report it then woman so we can only guess how high that number is. So men can also be looking over their shoulders. All the things you're saying can also be flipped around to men. We should be aware of offending anyone not just women. I don't think you should use the phrases "known space" and "absolutely" those aren't proved facts. The bottom line is that, that one guy was being immature, but it didn't constitute him getting fired he never mentioned females in any offensive manner.