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How fragile are women, really? It seems amazing to me that they don't all just shatter the day they are born (from what I read on the internet at least).

dodyg 14y ago
Your comment is stupid. Sexual jokes made by strangers create a hostile environment for women. Don't do it. Period. If you are among friends, go crazy and nobody gives a damn.
- norabean 14y ago
  I'm on accord with you, but not accord with the choice to have added photos of the people and never talked to them. I feel this is a tough situation now that the guy lost his job. Is his job loss been verified though? I'd be curious to know that...I mean 3 kids!? I can't imagine.
- joshuajonah 14y ago
  I tend to think the people at Pycon are my friends. I've dealt with a lot of them personally for year. We are supposed to be a laid back community, not a toxic environment where people are afraid to say something wrong. Let's leave that to the MS guys.
- drlloyd11 14y ago
  Also swearing, mentioning body parts, gay people, violence, and unpopular views. All very very bad..
- oh_sigh 14y ago
  > Sexual jokes made by strangers... Is a joke about a 'big dongle' a sexual joke, or an anatomical joke? Is a joke about someone having fat fingers a sexual joke, since fingers can be used in sexual acts? > ...create a hostile environment for women And not men?
  - andrewdupont 14y ago
    Is a joke about a 'big dongle' a sexual joke, or an anatomical joke? I feel like you're being willfully obtuse here. The penis is commonly used for exactly two things. Sex is the only reason why anyone would consider it advantageous to have a large penis. And not men? Sure, men too. Let me repeat that: you are "allowed" to be offended about this if you are a man. People tend to say "creates a hostile environment for women" not because of assumption or stereotype but because of many personal accounts of specific women who say that this sort of joking makes them feel like they're in a hostile environment.
Tyrannosaurs 14y ago
It's not a case of how fragile they are, it how much they have been, and still are, disadvantaged by the way society is structured. Things have improved in recent years but look at average salaries, representation in government, representation at senior levels in companies and so on and tell me that it's all sorted. And if women aren't being fairly represented at the top (unless you're saying that there have in history genuinely been no women capable of being, or even running for, US president), why do you think they're represented fairly further down? And then why do you think that is?
- Demonspawn 14y ago
  Women are fairly represented at the top and at the bottom. They are mostly missing from both ends of the spectrum. If you understood about the differences in expression between males and females (it's not just humans that follow these trends) then you would recognize that while men tend towards greatness and failure, women tend to be average. Mother nature was too smart to waste reproductive potential on environment testing. You're trying to solve a "problem" that isn't, and wrecking what works in your attempt.
  - Tyrannosaurs 14y ago
    So your answer: women, know your place. Can you cite research from reputable journals to support this? And are the measures of whatever the hell it is you're measuring that says women are extraordinary aren't biased in terms of the way society sees the sexes (that is measuring what has been deemed historically useful based on a male perspective) and are judging genuine ability in things that matter, not just one easily measurable thing. I only ask because rankable measures of ability of the sort you're talking about are generally consider bullshit these days.
    - Demonspawn 14y ago
      Height, weight, IQ, Bone Density, math ability.... you name a quantifiable human trait, men are more diverse than women. And I didn't say anything about women should "know their place"... it's just biological reality that the top and the bottom are male dominated. As such, you can't expect proportional representation at the extremes of expression. And to only look at the good end and attempt to create proportional representation there is an anti-male practice.

dodyg 14y ago

Your comment is stupid. Sexual jokes made by strangers create a hostile environment for women. Don't do it. Period. If you are among friends, go crazy and nobody gives a damn.

norabean 14y ago
I'm on accord with you, but not accord with the choice to have added photos of the people and never talked to them. I feel this is a tough situation now that the guy lost his job. Is his job loss been verified though? I'd be curious to know that...I mean 3 kids!? I can't imagine.
joshuajonah 14y ago
I tend to think the people at Pycon are my friends. I've dealt with a lot of them personally for year. We are supposed to be a laid back community, not a toxic environment where people are afraid to say something wrong. Let's leave that to the MS guys.
drlloyd11 14y ago
Also swearing, mentioning body parts, gay people, violence, and unpopular views. All very very bad..
oh_sigh 14y ago
> Sexual jokes made by strangers... Is a joke about a 'big dongle' a sexual joke, or an anatomical joke? Is a joke about someone having fat fingers a sexual joke, since fingers can be used in sexual acts? > ...create a hostile environment for women And not men?
- andrewdupont 14y ago
  Is a joke about a 'big dongle' a sexual joke, or an anatomical joke? I feel like you're being willfully obtuse here. The penis is commonly used for exactly two things. Sex is the only reason why anyone would consider it advantageous to have a large penis. And not men? Sure, men too. Let me repeat that: you are "allowed" to be offended about this if you are a man. People tend to say "creates a hostile environment for women" not because of assumption or stereotype but because of many personal accounts of specific women who say that this sort of joking makes them feel like they're in a hostile environment.

Tyrannosaurs 14y ago

It's not a case of how fragile they are, it how much they have been, and still are, disadvantaged by the way society is structured. Things have improved in recent years but look at average salaries, representation in government, representation at senior levels in companies and so on and tell me that it's all sorted. And if women aren't being fairly represented at the top (unless you're saying that there have in history genuinely been no women capable of being, or even running for, US president), why do you think they're represented fairly further down? And then why do you think that is?

Demonspawn 14y ago
Women are fairly represented at the top and at the bottom. They are mostly missing from both ends of the spectrum. If you understood about the differences in expression between males and females (it's not just humans that follow these trends) then you would recognize that while men tend towards greatness and failure, women tend to be average. Mother nature was too smart to waste reproductive potential on environment testing. You're trying to solve a "problem" that isn't, and wrecking what works in your attempt.
- Tyrannosaurs 14y ago
  So your answer: women, know your place. Can you cite research from reputable journals to support this? And are the measures of whatever the hell it is you're measuring that says women are extraordinary aren't biased in terms of the way society sees the sexes (that is measuring what has been deemed historically useful based on a male perspective) and are judging genuine ability in things that matter, not just one easily measurable thing. I only ask because rankable measures of ability of the sort you're talking about are generally consider bullshit these days.
  - Demonspawn 14y ago
    Height, weight, IQ, Bone Density, math ability.... you name a quantifiable human trait, men are more diverse than women. And I didn't say anything about women should "know their place"... it's just biological reality that the top and the bottom are male dominated. As such, you can't expect proportional representation at the extremes of expression. And to only look at the good end and attempt to create proportional representation there is an anti-male practice.