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Here's context: The guy behind me to the far left was saying he didn't find much value from the logging session that day. I agreed with him, turned around and

Here's context: The guy behind me to the far left was saying he didn't find much value from the logging session that day. I agreed with him, turned around and said so. He then went onto say that an earlier session he'd been to where the speaker was talking about images and visualization with Python was really good, even if it seemed to him the speaker wasn't really an expert on images. He said he would be interested in forking the repo and continuing development https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/talks/ https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/talks/. That would have been find until the guy next to him... began making sexual forking jokes I was going to let it go. It had been a long week. A long month. I had been on the road since February and PyCon was my 5th and final conference before heading home. I know it's important to pick my battles. I know I don't have to be a hero in every situation. Sometimes I just want to go to a tech conference and be a nerd. But... like Popeye, I couldn't stands it no more because of what happened next: Jesse Noller was up on stage thanking the sponsors. The guys behind me (one off to the right) said, "You can thank me, you can thank me". That told me they were a sponsoring company of Pycon and from the photos I took, his badge had an add-on that said, "Sponsor". They started talking about "big" dongles. I could feel my face getting flustered. Was this really happening? The rest of the story I've posted on my blog: http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont-belong-at-tech-conferences/ http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont...

ianschenck 14y ago
Can you please explain, because it seems obvious to you but not to me, how a crass joke about male anatomy is inherently anti-female. Can you also please explain why going public was the best immediate course of action. Lastly, would you have been offended if the joke came out of a female's mouth (as asked below)? I've been in a situation where a young female engineer was in a very abused situation, and it took me a much thought to figure out how to handle it, but immediately going public was definitely not the right choice. Thank you.
- chrisfs 14y ago
  I am NOT the OP but I think the answers to your questions are pretty clear. Crass jokes about in the anatomical parts male or female are not appropriate in a professional setting where you don't know everybody who is sitting nearby. There's no need to go into complex discussions about sexual or power dynamics. Immediate action is needed because unlike the workplace there would be no opportunity to speak with these people later
  - jorgenev 14y ago
    How fragile are women, really? It seems amazing to me that they don't all just shatter the day they are born (from what I read on the internet at least).
    - dodyg 14y ago
      Your comment is stupid. Sexual jokes made by strangers create a hostile environment for women. Don't do it. Period. If you are among friends, go crazy and nobody gives a damn.
      - norabean 14y ago
        I'm on accord with you, but not accord with the choice to have added photos of the people and never talked to them. I feel this is a tough situation now that the guy lost his job. Is his job loss been verified though? I'd be curious to know that...I mean 3 kids!? I can't imagine.
      - joshuajonah 14y ago
        I tend to think the people at Pycon are my friends. I've dealt with a lot of them personally for year. We are supposed to be a laid back community, not a toxic environment where people are afraid to say something wrong. Let's leave that to the MS guys.
      - drlloyd11 14y ago
        Also swearing, mentioning body parts, gay people, violence, and unpopular views. All very very bad..
TY812 14y ago
Blogspam. Why don't you engage in this discussion here instead of promoting a private website which is semiblocked anywhere but a tiny part of Northern America?
pythonuser 14y ago
Frankly, I think you are a cyberbully.

ianschenck 14y ago

Can you please explain, because it seems obvious to you but not to me, how a crass joke about male anatomy is inherently anti-female. Can you also please explain why going public was the best immediate course of action. Lastly, would you have been offended if the joke came out of a female's mouth (as asked below)? I've been in a situation where a young female engineer was in a very abused situation, and it took me a much thought to figure out how to handle it, but immediately going public was definitely not the right choice. Thank you.

chrisfs 14y ago
I am NOT the OP but I think the answers to your questions are pretty clear. Crass jokes about in the anatomical parts male or female are not appropriate in a professional setting where you don't know everybody who is sitting nearby. There's no need to go into complex discussions about sexual or power dynamics. Immediate action is needed because unlike the workplace there would be no opportunity to speak with these people later
- jorgenev 14y ago
  How fragile are women, really? It seems amazing to me that they don't all just shatter the day they are born (from what I read on the internet at least).
  - dodyg 14y ago
    Your comment is stupid. Sexual jokes made by strangers create a hostile environment for women. Don't do it. Period. If you are among friends, go crazy and nobody gives a damn.
    - norabean 14y ago
      I'm on accord with you, but not accord with the choice to have added photos of the people and never talked to them. I feel this is a tough situation now that the guy lost his job. Is his job loss been verified though? I'd be curious to know that...I mean 3 kids!? I can't imagine.
    - joshuajonah 14y ago
      I tend to think the people at Pycon are my friends. I've dealt with a lot of them personally for year. We are supposed to be a laid back community, not a toxic environment where people are afraid to say something wrong. Let's leave that to the MS guys.
    - drlloyd11 14y ago
      Also swearing, mentioning body parts, gay people, violence, and unpopular views. All very very bad..

TY812 14y ago

Blogspam. Why don't you engage in this discussion here instead of promoting a private website which is semiblocked anywhere but a tiny part of Northern America?

pythonuser 14y ago

Frankly, I think you are a cyberbully.