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Now I don't know what icon is in the Flat UI pack, but to cite the DMCA's icon as being 'kinda lifted' from theirs[1] when it is so similar to a number of CC-li

by beseku 14y ago

Now I don't know what icon is in the Flat UI pack, but to cite the DMCA's icon as being 'kinda lifted' from theirs[1] when it is so similar to a number of CC-licenced icons on The Noun Project seems like a poor argument in my eyes. [1] http://imgur.com/3zoKuvH http://imgur.com/3zoKuvH

tptacek 14y ago
If the Flat UI icon is as different from the Noun Project icon as DN's is, Alan at LayerVault will be equally wrong. They just aren't the same icon. The visual metaphor all these icons rely on is decades old. It's the details that matter.
- beseku 14y ago
  I think you are hitting the nail on the head - with styles/aesthetic arguments like this, when is it a copy? Adding a leaf of paper into the icon? Colouring it in? Adding a line of faux text below the faux image? Which came first? Which was the origin? My only point was that when you are getting hammered by people and the evidence you provide is that, it looks poorly thought out.
  - tptacek 14y ago
    What evidence? What am I missing? Does someone have a link to the Flat UI icon he's referring to? The impression I got from his message is, Flat UI included a verbatim copy of the DN icon.
    - beseku 14y ago
      "... they even managed to kinda lift the old DN icon ..." I think you misunderstand. I'm not arguing as to whether the Flat UI guys copied them or not, but like the larger argument, the icon he is putting forward as copied work is itself conceptually very similar to other existing icon work(s). As a designer I would be more than a little miffed if that design appeared if I had created the Noun Project's version and not openly licensed it. If that is the case, it somewhat undermines the claim that the assets are fully owned by them or even that ownership can be so quickly claimed.
      - hkolek 14y ago
        Similarity is completely irrelevant. If we independently arrive at the same original work then that is not copyright violation. That's not what copyright is about. We then each hold the copyright of our respective works, even if they're completely identical (in practice it will probably be hard to proof that you didn't just copy the other work if they're really identical). IANAL, but that's what I was told by a law student.
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    - cooldeal 14y ago
      Here's the comparisons. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5332635 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5332635 It's certainly not a verbatim copy or even close.
      - tptacek 14y ago
        Agree! Thanks.
    - integraton 14y ago
      That's the impression he wants you to get, but you are being deceived by his misleading wording. Flat-UI's newspaper icon is different than the DN icon.
      - tptacek 14y ago
        I see that now. Thanks!
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mintplant 14y ago
Note that the matter of the "newspaper" icon is not the reason for the DMCA request, but a sidenote.
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by beseku 14y ago

tptacek 14y ago

If the Flat UI icon is as different from the Noun Project icon as DN's is, Alan at LayerVault will be equally wrong. They just aren't the same icon. The visual metaphor all these icons rely on is decades old. It's the details that matter.

beseku 14y ago
I think you are hitting the nail on the head - with styles/aesthetic arguments like this, when is it a copy? Adding a leaf of paper into the icon? Colouring it in? Adding a line of faux text below the faux image? Which came first? Which was the origin? My only point was that when you are getting hammered by people and the evidence you provide is that, it looks poorly thought out.
- tptacek 14y ago
  What evidence? What am I missing? Does someone have a link to the Flat UI icon he's referring to? The impression I got from his message is, Flat UI included a verbatim copy of the DN icon.
  - beseku 14y ago
    "... they even managed to kinda lift the old DN icon ..." I think you misunderstand. I'm not arguing as to whether the Flat UI guys copied them or not, but like the larger argument, the icon he is putting forward as copied work is itself conceptually very similar to other existing icon work(s). As a designer I would be more than a little miffed if that design appeared if I had created the Noun Project's version and not openly licensed it. If that is the case, it somewhat undermines the claim that the assets are fully owned by them or even that ownership can be so quickly claimed.
    - hkolek 14y ago
      Similarity is completely irrelevant. If we independently arrive at the same original work then that is not copyright violation. That's not what copyright is about. We then each hold the copyright of our respective works, even if they're completely identical (in practice it will probably be hard to proof that you didn't just copy the other work if they're really identical). IANAL, but that's what I was told by a law student.
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  - cooldeal 14y ago
    Here's the comparisons. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5332635 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5332635 It's certainly not a verbatim copy or even close.
    - tptacek 14y ago
      Agree! Thanks.
  - integraton 14y ago
    That's the impression he wants you to get, but you are being deceived by his misleading wording. Flat-UI's newspaper icon is different than the DN icon.
    - tptacek 14y ago
      I see that now. Thanks!
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mintplant 14y ago

Note that the matter of the "newspaper" icon is not the reason for the DMCA request, but a sidenote.

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