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This is worth watching if you're thinking about these issues: Blackhat 2010 - Changing Threats to Privacy Moxie Marlinspike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-

by trotsky 14y ago

This is worth watching if you're thinking about these issues: Blackhat 2010 - Changing Threats to Privacy Moxie Marlinspike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JKqJ7gt5yk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JKqJ7gt5yk It's a very interesting analysis of opt-in surveillance. I think he makes a credible argument that many of these technologies are being at least partially prompted or shaped by state interests.

rdtsc 14y ago
It is also worth pointing out that there is active harassment of people like Moxie, Jacob Appelbaum, wikileaks founder is in some embassy hiding, Aaron is gone. It goes from interrogations on border crossings, confiscation of electronic devices, drummed up charges (didn't DoJ admit Aaron was hounded down mostly because of his political views?). There is a price paid. Yes I know, those who live(ed) in totalitarian regimes might laugh -- "what is confiscation of a cell phone compared to the disappearance of my family?" On an absolute scale yes, true, but if you look at it from another way we are already comparing this country to brutal totalitarian regimes, that says something too perhaps.
- mpyne 14y ago
  > didn't DoJ admit Aaron was hounded down mostly because of his political views? No, they admitted that Aaron's manifesto about breaking the law as a moral imperative to support open access to scientific journals was used to support the DoJ's claims that he intended to distribute the millions of scientific journals that he downloaded from JSTOR. Until the police finally arrested him no one even knew that the network intruder even was Aaron Swartz.
- contingencies 14y ago
  Yes. Don't forget the TPB/torrent tracker programmer anakata's warrantless international extradition followed by multi-month solitary confinment by his own government which is considered "democratic" and is part of northern Europe, nominally a bastion of human rights... a few years ago, before Sweden's right-wing swing. I have met some (actually most) of the above mentioned people, so government harassment of these individuals sits very poorly with me. I write this from China, where I carry no cell phone ... mostly because, quite luckily, I can function in society without one.
  - crollpo 14y ago
    Sweden = feminism =/= human rights.
  - tullopi 14y ago
    Sweden = feminism =/= human rights. (Reposted to bypass censorship.)
libraryatnight 14y ago
This is interesting, is there any reading you know of where one could learn more about what he speaks about in the beginning - the cypherpunks vs the government. Something of a history?
- trotsky 14y ago
  I really don't know of anything comprehensive. Cypherpunks was actually a mailing list, and I believe you can download full archives of it. One of the big part's he's referring to is Phil Zimmerman creating PGP, and I'd bet you can find some history about its legal troubles. Stories about RSA code on a t-shirt to protest the export bans would be another notable cypherpunk moment that got press. The EFF breaking DES with deepcrack in the 90's was also a cypherpunk project. There may well be a comprehensive history of the movement out there, but I haven't heard of one. He might know of a good one, he's @moxie

by trotsky 14y ago

rdtsc 14y ago

It is also worth pointing out that there is active harassment of people like Moxie, Jacob Appelbaum, wikileaks founder is in some embassy hiding, Aaron is gone. It goes from interrogations on border crossings, confiscation of electronic devices, drummed up charges (didn't DoJ admit Aaron was hounded down mostly because of his political views?). There is a price paid. Yes I know, those who live(ed) in totalitarian regimes might laugh -- "what is confiscation of a cell phone compared to the disappearance of my family?" On an absolute scale yes, true, but if you look at it from another way we are already comparing this country to brutal totalitarian regimes, that says something too perhaps.

mpyne 14y ago
> didn't DoJ admit Aaron was hounded down mostly because of his political views? No, they admitted that Aaron's manifesto about breaking the law as a moral imperative to support open access to scientific journals was used to support the DoJ's claims that he intended to distribute the millions of scientific journals that he downloaded from JSTOR. Until the police finally arrested him no one even knew that the network intruder even was Aaron Swartz.
contingencies 14y ago
Yes. Don't forget the TPB/torrent tracker programmer anakata's warrantless international extradition followed by multi-month solitary confinment by his own government which is considered "democratic" and is part of northern Europe, nominally a bastion of human rights... a few years ago, before Sweden's right-wing swing. I have met some (actually most) of the above mentioned people, so government harassment of these individuals sits very poorly with me. I write this from China, where I carry no cell phone ... mostly because, quite luckily, I can function in society without one.
- crollpo 14y ago
  Sweden = feminism =/= human rights.
- tullopi 14y ago
  Sweden = feminism =/= human rights. (Reposted to bypass censorship.)

libraryatnight 14y ago

This is interesting, is there any reading you know of where one could learn more about what he speaks about in the beginning - the cypherpunks vs the government. Something of a history?

trotsky 14y ago
I really don't know of anything comprehensive. Cypherpunks was actually a mailing list, and I believe you can download full archives of it. One of the big part's he's referring to is Phil Zimmerman creating PGP, and I'd bet you can find some history about its legal troubles. Stories about RSA code on a t-shirt to protest the export bans would be another notable cypherpunk moment that got press. The EFF breaking DES with deepcrack in the 90's was also a cypherpunk project. There may well be a comprehensive history of the movement out there, but I haven't heard of one. He might know of a good one, he's @moxie