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Wouldn't requiring inputting your email address and then pressing an ubsubscribe button work? That way when the forwarded user tries to unsubscribe, they know t

Wouldn't requiring inputting your email address and then pressing an ubsubscribe button work? That way when the forwarded user tries to unsubscribe, they know they aren't subscribed.

carlsednaoui 14y ago
Good idea, but I feel that this places a burden on the subscribed user that wishes to unsubscribe.
- jlgreco 14y ago
  Particularly when the subscribed user has several email accounts that all forward to another. It is a pain in the ass to click back and figure out exactly which address something came from.
  - deleted 14y ago
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  - carlsednaoui 14y ago
    Exactly!
  - andrewreds 14y ago
    Would this really be a problem? If you have a look at the article, linked from the article, they are hiding the un-subscribe link when the link is inside quotes. For me, the emails that get forwarded to different accounts (due to email rules), don't have quotes, so the link will show. But pressing the forward button will put quotes around the entire email, so the link won't be shown. In saying that, there are probably some email setup out there, that doesn't work like mine, and just happens to wrap every email that it displays in quotes...
    - jlgreco 14y ago
      I don't know if it is a problem with their system, but it has been an issue numerous times with other systems for me. I don't see how their system would solve the issue that occurs with this system: "inputting your email address and then pressing an ubsubscribe button" If I have to input my email address, I have to determine which email address I have to input.
    - jonknee 14y ago
      I have run into this several times. Always very annoying. I have many accounts in a desktop app and a unified inbox.
milkshakes 14y ago
This is possibly in violation of CAN-SPAM: You can’t charge a fee, require the recipient to give you any personally identifying information beyond an email address, or make the recipient take any step other than sending a reply email or visiting a single page on an Internet website as a condition for honoring an opt-out request.[1] [1] http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus61-can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus61-can-spam-act-complia...
- Domenic_S 14y ago
  How do you figure?
- whatshisface 14y ago
  I don't see how that would stop what the grandparent was talking about. Go to single page->enter email->unsubscribed
- ceejayoz 14y ago
  I think that's an overly narrow interpretation of "visiting a single page". I've seen very prominent providers who've definitely been around long enough to know the legalities (the hard way) use the "enter your e-mail address" approach.
  - rvkennedy 14y ago
    When I click "unsubscribe", I expect to be unsubscribed. If I just get a page that invites me to enter my email, which the page should know already, I find it's easier, and vastly more satisfying, just to mark the mail as spam.
    - saurik 14y ago
      Ok, if we are going to start using that "mark as spam" button to punish people, maybe then I should go sign up for your comms.io "tell me when the product is ready" mailing list using a bunch of Hotmail and Gmail accounts, and mark your messages spam on all of them when I receive them. I mean, if we are going to use that button to feel "satisfied" by punishing others whose business practices we or actions we disagree with, rather than to actually mark, you know, actual spam that we shouldn't have received in the first place, why not include some old fashioned tit-for-tat, right? Seriously: you are abusing the right to be part of a collective spam filter by interpreting the rules of that law in that way. You aren't even doing it in a way that other users of that spam filter are going to obviously appreciate: a lot of people (heaven forbid) actually like receiving the email we sign up for.
elliotanderson 14y ago
Even working on the copy text would decrease accidental unsubscribes. Something as simple as "This email was sent to somebody@example.org, if you are this person click here to unsubscribe somebody@example.org" then display the email address again prominently on the unsub page
eli 14y ago
I think you would be surprised by how many people 1) Have multiple email addresses forward to one inbox and 2) Don't know how to check what address a particular message was sent to. I regularly see people reply to our messages and ask us to remove an address that we never sent anything to... (and we have a prominent one-click unsubscribe on every message!)

Wouldn't requiring inputting your email address and then pressing an ubsubscribe button work? That way when the forwarded user tries to unsubscribe, they know they aren't subscribed.

carlsednaoui 14y ago

Good idea, but I feel that this places a burden on the subscribed user that wishes to unsubscribe.

jlgreco 14y ago
Particularly when the subscribed user has several email accounts that all forward to another. It is a pain in the ass to click back and figure out exactly which address something came from.
- deleted 14y ago
  [deleted]
- carlsednaoui 14y ago
  Exactly!
- andrewreds 14y ago
  Would this really be a problem? If you have a look at the article, linked from the article, they are hiding the un-subscribe link when the link is inside quotes. For me, the emails that get forwarded to different accounts (due to email rules), don't have quotes, so the link will show. But pressing the forward button will put quotes around the entire email, so the link won't be shown. In saying that, there are probably some email setup out there, that doesn't work like mine, and just happens to wrap every email that it displays in quotes...
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    I don't know if it is a problem with their system, but it has been an issue numerous times with other systems for me. I don't see how their system would solve the issue that occurs with this system: "inputting your email address and then pressing an ubsubscribe button" If I have to input my email address, I have to determine which email address I have to input.
  - jonknee 14y ago
    I have run into this several times. Always very annoying. I have many accounts in a desktop app and a unified inbox.

milkshakes 14y ago

This is possibly in violation of CAN-SPAM: You can’t charge a fee, require the recipient to give you any personally identifying information beyond an email address, or make the recipient take any step other than sending a reply email or visiting a single page on an Internet website as a condition for honoring an opt-out request.[1] [1] http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus61-can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus61-can-spam-act-complia...

Domenic_S 14y ago
How do you figure?
whatshisface 14y ago
I don't see how that would stop what the grandparent was talking about. Go to single page->enter email->unsubscribed
ceejayoz 14y ago
I think that's an overly narrow interpretation of "visiting a single page". I've seen very prominent providers who've definitely been around long enough to know the legalities (the hard way) use the "enter your e-mail address" approach.
- rvkennedy 14y ago
  When I click "unsubscribe", I expect to be unsubscribed. If I just get a page that invites me to enter my email, which the page should know already, I find it's easier, and vastly more satisfying, just to mark the mail as spam.
  - saurik 14y ago
    Ok, if we are going to start using that "mark as spam" button to punish people, maybe then I should go sign up for your comms.io "tell me when the product is ready" mailing list using a bunch of Hotmail and Gmail accounts, and mark your messages spam on all of them when I receive them. I mean, if we are going to use that button to feel "satisfied" by punishing others whose business practices we or actions we disagree with, rather than to actually mark, you know, actual spam that we shouldn't have received in the first place, why not include some old fashioned tit-for-tat, right? Seriously: you are abusing the right to be part of a collective spam filter by interpreting the rules of that law in that way. You aren't even doing it in a way that other users of that spam filter are going to obviously appreciate: a lot of people (heaven forbid) actually like receiving the email we sign up for.

elliotanderson 14y ago

Even working on the copy text would decrease accidental unsubscribes. Something as simple as "This email was sent to somebody@example.org, if you are this person click here to unsubscribe somebody@example.org" then display the email address again prominently on the unsub page

eli 14y ago

I think you would be surprised by how many people 1) Have multiple email addresses forward to one inbox and 2) Don't know how to check what address a particular message was sent to. I regularly see people reply to our messages and ask us to remove an address that we never sent anything to... (and we have a prominent one-click unsubscribe on every message!)