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You mean how he was held in protective custody (not solitary confinement, as is commonly and falsely claimed by idiots like Glenn Greenwald) because he has a hi

You mean how he was held in protective custody (not solitary confinement, as is commonly and falsely claimed by idiots like Glenn Greenwald) because he has a history of mental instability (ie Gender Identity Disorder, punching another soldier) and the Army fears he's a suicide risk (which he probably is)?

joering2 14y ago
Throw - serious question. Is there any environment where someone could press you hard enough and long enough so that you would be a "suicide risk" ?
- throw-away2 14y ago
  Can either of you read? He was placed in protective custody because they feared he was a suicide risk.
  - raverbashing 14y ago
    Yes, keep telling yourself that You see, you are already answering things in a menacing tone, I think you may be a risk to others, and maybe to yourself.
derrida 14y ago
"protective custody". Right. Like if he were let out onto the streets on bail he would flee, or go on a murdering rampage. You are blaming the victim. The military is entirely responsible for the conditions he is held under in custody. That's part of what the word custody means. A UN Torture Investigator (Juan Mendez) concluded he was living in "inhumane and degrading conditions".
- throw-away2 14y ago
  Did you read what I said? He's being held in protective custody because they fear, rightly, that he may kill himself. And if God-forbid he succeeded in doing so, what would you and the rest of his supports say then? That they killed him to shut him up, to send a warning to other would-be whistle-blowers, or some other nonsense. And Manning isn't a victim. He released an enormous cache of classified information, directly violating an oath that he took not to, placing ISAF Forces in jeopardy and undermining the ability of the State Department (you know, the agency that tries to affect positive change in the world without the use of force) to do its job. What wrong-doing did Manning uncover; what crimes? All he succeeding in doing was harming the State Department and endangering ISAF personnel and the Afghans who aid them.
  - derrida 14y ago
    > What wrong-doing did Manning uncover; what crimes? Here are some US troops shooting at unarmed civilians, children and Reuters journalists. There was never a gun held, or fired except by the US troops... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0 This is the reality of asymmetric warfare, where doing your job walking down the street in Baghdad can get you killed. There are 1000's of such incidents we know about thanks to Manning. This happens to be the most graphic and easily understood because it is a video. Other stories are contained in the giant databases and are a couple of hundred words of text. Personally I uncovered a case in Cablegate where the US Ambassador to Nigeria asked for someone to be rendered to the US without going through the Nigerian Courts. This constitutes extraordinary rendition, moreover, this was pre-911 before extraordinary rendition was known to be widespread. If anybody actually looks at the material, you'll grasp its significance immediately. Moreover, there is a good chance with 250,000 cables and countless war logs if you see something significant, you are the only person in the world to have recognised the significance of that piece of information.
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    - rimantas 14y ago
      > This is the reality of asymmetric warfare, where doing > your job walking down the street in Baghdad can get you > killed. And this was unknown prior to wikileaks, right? Right? You do know that the video you linked is "edited" to put it mildly? > There are 1000's of such incidents we know about thanks to > Manning. Yeah, sure. Nobody else knew. > If anybody actually looks at the material, you'll grasp its > significance immediately Yes, it is easy to grasp the significance — next to none. That's why nobody talks about those cables any more. My cynical view is that wikileaks was just a tool for Asange to make a name for himself. Manning? Just colateral damage.
      - petit_robert 14y ago
        Colonel O. North, nice to see you again!
AnthonBerg 14y ago
Give me six lines written by an honest man and I'll find in them a reason to hang him.

joering2 14y ago

Throw - serious question. Is there any environment where someone could press you hard enough and long enough so that you would be a "suicide risk" ?

throw-away2 14y ago
Can either of you read? He was placed in protective custody because they feared he was a suicide risk.
- raverbashing 14y ago
  Yes, keep telling yourself that You see, you are already answering things in a menacing tone, I think you may be a risk to others, and maybe to yourself.

derrida 14y ago

"protective custody". Right. Like if he were let out onto the streets on bail he would flee, or go on a murdering rampage. You are blaming the victim. The military is entirely responsible for the conditions he is held under in custody. That's part of what the word custody means. A UN Torture Investigator (Juan Mendez) concluded he was living in "inhumane and degrading conditions".

throw-away2 14y ago
Did you read what I said? He's being held in protective custody because they fear, rightly, that he may kill himself. And if God-forbid he succeeded in doing so, what would you and the rest of his supports say then? That they killed him to shut him up, to send a warning to other would-be whistle-blowers, or some other nonsense. And Manning isn't a victim. He released an enormous cache of classified information, directly violating an oath that he took not to, placing ISAF Forces in jeopardy and undermining the ability of the State Department (you know, the agency that tries to affect positive change in the world without the use of force) to do its job. What wrong-doing did Manning uncover; what crimes? All he succeeding in doing was harming the State Department and endangering ISAF personnel and the Afghans who aid them.
- derrida 14y ago
  > What wrong-doing did Manning uncover; what crimes? Here are some US troops shooting at unarmed civilians, children and Reuters journalists. There was never a gun held, or fired except by the US troops... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0 This is the reality of asymmetric warfare, where doing your job walking down the street in Baghdad can get you killed. There are 1000's of such incidents we know about thanks to Manning. This happens to be the most graphic and easily understood because it is a video. Other stories are contained in the giant databases and are a couple of hundred words of text. Personally I uncovered a case in Cablegate where the US Ambassador to Nigeria asked for someone to be rendered to the US without going through the Nigerian Courts. This constitutes extraordinary rendition, moreover, this was pre-911 before extraordinary rendition was known to be widespread. If anybody actually looks at the material, you'll grasp its significance immediately. Moreover, there is a good chance with 250,000 cables and countless war logs if you see something significant, you are the only person in the world to have recognised the significance of that piece of information.
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  - rimantas 14y ago
    > This is the reality of asymmetric warfare, where doing > your job walking down the street in Baghdad can get you > killed. And this was unknown prior to wikileaks, right? Right? You do know that the video you linked is "edited" to put it mildly? > There are 1000's of such incidents we know about thanks to > Manning. Yeah, sure. Nobody else knew. > If anybody actually looks at the material, you'll grasp its > significance immediately Yes, it is easy to grasp the significance — next to none. That's why nobody talks about those cables any more. My cynical view is that wikileaks was just a tool for Asange to make a name for himself. Manning? Just colateral damage.
    - petit_robert 14y ago
      Colonel O. North, nice to see you again!

AnthonBerg 14y ago

Give me six lines written by an honest man and I'll find in them a reason to hang him.