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I'm always amazed at what Americans let slide of governmental abuse as long as big private companies profit. I find it difficult to comprehend that even hard co

I'm always amazed at what Americans let slide of governmental abuse as long as big private companies profit. I find it difficult to comprehend that even hard core libertarians will defend laws like these.

icelancer 14y ago
Why would hardcore libertarians defend laws like these? It's an obvious market restriction.
- bjorn2404 14y ago
  Yes, it's also obvious that the government is in bed with the corporations (crony capitalism).
- halvsjur 14y ago
  Just an observation on my part. Americans who call themselves libertarian often seem to be reflexively pro-corporate, even when it flies right in the face of their professed ideals.
  - jiggy2011 14y ago
    My primitive reading of libertarian philosophy in this case would go something along the lines of: Companies should lobby for whatever regulation/deregulation benefits them because they are rational actors in a free market. However the government should not have the power to actually grant this. I suppose a hardcore libertarian might allow a contract clause which allows the phone network to hire someone to shoot you in the face if you unlock your phone.
    - icelancer 14y ago
      "Should" is a little loaded; I would say "Companies would be expected to lobby..." But yeah I think your interpretation is correct.
  - zem 14y ago
    my general observation is that libertarians don't object to "i'm bigger than you, and therefore i get my way", just to "i'm the government and therefore i get my way". nowhere is this thrown into sharper relief than when discussing "i'm the government and therefore i say you cannot use the fact that you're bigger to get your way".
  - orangecat 14y ago
    Americans who call themselves libertarian often seem to be reflexively pro-corporate That's not been my experience. Organizations like reason.com and the Cato Institute regularly criticize businesses that use government regulations to stifle competition and restrict the rights of customers. A solid majority of libertarians support either eliminating or substantially weakening IP laws. (There is a minority that believes that IP be treated the same as physical property, with infinite copyright terms and other silliness).

icelancer 14y ago

Why would hardcore libertarians defend laws like these? It's an obvious market restriction.

bjorn2404 14y ago
Yes, it's also obvious that the government is in bed with the corporations (crony capitalism).
halvsjur 14y ago
Just an observation on my part. Americans who call themselves libertarian often seem to be reflexively pro-corporate, even when it flies right in the face of their professed ideals.
- jiggy2011 14y ago
  My primitive reading of libertarian philosophy in this case would go something along the lines of: Companies should lobby for whatever regulation/deregulation benefits them because they are rational actors in a free market. However the government should not have the power to actually grant this. I suppose a hardcore libertarian might allow a contract clause which allows the phone network to hire someone to shoot you in the face if you unlock your phone.
  - icelancer 14y ago
    "Should" is a little loaded; I would say "Companies would be expected to lobby..." But yeah I think your interpretation is correct.
- zem 14y ago
  my general observation is that libertarians don't object to "i'm bigger than you, and therefore i get my way", just to "i'm the government and therefore i get my way". nowhere is this thrown into sharper relief than when discussing "i'm the government and therefore i say you cannot use the fact that you're bigger to get your way".
- orangecat 14y ago
  Americans who call themselves libertarian often seem to be reflexively pro-corporate That's not been my experience. Organizations like reason.com and the Cato Institute regularly criticize businesses that use government regulations to stifle competition and restrict the rights of customers. A solid majority of libertarians support either eliminating or substantially weakening IP laws. (There is a minority that believes that IP be treated the same as physical property, with infinite copyright terms and other silliness).