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Interesting to know about Tesla and Edison. I've always seen somewhat similar parallel between Jobs and Wozniak. For all his greatness, I always see Jobs as an

Interesting to know about Tesla and Edison. I've always seen somewhat similar parallel between Jobs and Wozniak. For all his greatness, I always see Jobs as an overrated CEO and Wozniak as underrated geek.

danabramov 14y ago
I fail to see how Wozniak is underrated. On the opposite, the media likes to pick up whatever he says about today's technology and portray him as the real genius overshadowed by “marketer” Jobs, although Wozniak's last contribution to the field was two decades ago and he has no relation to Apple's success as we know it today. He deserves praise for what he'd done but I'd argue his contributions are rarely, if ever, underrated, and often the opposite.
wildranter 14y ago
Just tell me one more thing. Who consistently shipped more?
- unimpressive 14y ago
  Tesla vs. Edison? From what I know, Tesla. Jobs vs. Wozniak? Jobs. Easily.
  - kamaal 14y ago
    Saying that Steve Jobs shipped frequently than Wozniak is like saying the manager of a software team ships more frequently than the programmers who wrote it, since he is the one who sends out the 'release notification email'.
    - jonmrodriguez 14y ago
      Actually what he's referring to is that Woz basically made the Apple 1, made the Apple 2, and then, having produced two once-in-a-lifetime masterworks, essentially retired. Jobs, though less technically useful on any one hands-on task, never retired even after getting rich. He just kept shipping, ultimately an order of magnitude more projects and a way more grandiose total portfolio.
      - rooshdi 14y ago
        And who helped him keep shipping? Or did you forget the thousands of other workers at Apple? Let's get real.
        jodrellblank 14y ago
        Where by "real" you mean what, exactly? "Out of Jobs and Wozniak who shipped more?" "thousands of other apple workers because I don't like Jobs" ?
        rooshdi 14y ago
        No. Apple and its products are the result of countless hours of work from thousands of employees. Step out the damn reality distortion field already.
        wildranter 14y ago
        Step out the damn reality distortion field already. Likewise. Who do you think built and rebuilt the aforementioned company? The thousands of people who worked on Apple producs acknowledge that Jobs was fundamental because of is hyper focus and vision. If you stop hating the man you might learn a thing or two.
        rooshdi 14y ago
        I don't hate anyone. In fact, I respect Steve a whole lot for pursuing his passion and vision for technology. I just hate the lies people believe. Shipping involves more than any one individual. It's an ongoing collaborative process. Read up: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20124720-37/jonathan-ive-steve-jobs-stole-my-ideas/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20124720-37/jonathan-ive-s...
        mmariani 14y ago
        Well, I shouldn't. But I'm gonna bite this one anyway. Who recognized Jonny Ive's talent and gave him a promotion? Anyway, I think the reality distortion field you previously referred is in fact a hyperbole machine created by the media outlets. I don't like it too as it only serves to increases the distance between us and real facts just for the sake of getting some viewers. The real reality distortion field [0][1] was born as a complement and caution, referring to Steve's epic focus, indomitable will, and eagerness to get things done. When well applied, it can be an incredible tool to shift paradigms. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field [1] Steve Jobs biography, Chapter 11
brazzy 14y ago
Please read this as well: http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/05/18/nikola-tesla-wasnt-god-and-thomas-edison-wasnt-the-devil/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/05/18/nikola-tesl...

danabramov 14y ago

I fail to see how Wozniak is underrated. On the opposite, the media likes to pick up whatever he says about today's technology and portray him as the real genius overshadowed by “marketer” Jobs, although Wozniak's last contribution to the field was two decades ago and he has no relation to Apple's success as we know it today. He deserves praise for what he'd done but I'd argue his contributions are rarely, if ever, underrated, and often the opposite.

wildranter 14y ago

Just tell me one more thing. Who consistently shipped more?

unimpressive 14y ago
Tesla vs. Edison? From what I know, Tesla. Jobs vs. Wozniak? Jobs. Easily.
- kamaal 14y ago
  Saying that Steve Jobs shipped frequently than Wozniak is like saying the manager of a software team ships more frequently than the programmers who wrote it, since he is the one who sends out the 'release notification email'.
  - jonmrodriguez 14y ago
    Actually what he's referring to is that Woz basically made the Apple 1, made the Apple 2, and then, having produced two once-in-a-lifetime masterworks, essentially retired. Jobs, though less technically useful on any one hands-on task, never retired even after getting rich. He just kept shipping, ultimately an order of magnitude more projects and a way more grandiose total portfolio.
    - rooshdi 14y ago
      And who helped him keep shipping? Or did you forget the thousands of other workers at Apple? Let's get real.
      - jodrellblank 14y ago
        Where by "real" you mean what, exactly? "Out of Jobs and Wozniak who shipped more?" "thousands of other apple workers because I don't like Jobs" ?
        rooshdi 14y ago
        No. Apple and its products are the result of countless hours of work from thousands of employees. Step out the damn reality distortion field already.
        wildranter 14y ago
        Step out the damn reality distortion field already. Likewise. Who do you think built and rebuilt the aforementioned company? The thousands of people who worked on Apple producs acknowledge that Jobs was fundamental because of is hyper focus and vision. If you stop hating the man you might learn a thing or two.
        rooshdi 14y ago
        I don't hate anyone. In fact, I respect Steve a whole lot for pursuing his passion and vision for technology. I just hate the lies people believe. Shipping involves more than any one individual. It's an ongoing collaborative process. Read up: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20124720-37/jonathan-ive-steve-jobs-stole-my-ideas/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20124720-37/jonathan-ive-s...
        mmariani 14y ago
        Well, I shouldn't. But I'm gonna bite this one anyway. Who recognized Jonny Ive's talent and gave him a promotion? Anyway, I think the reality distortion field you previously referred is in fact a hyperbole machine created by the media outlets. I don't like it too as it only serves to increases the distance between us and real facts just for the sake of getting some viewers. The real reality distortion field [0][1] was born as a complement and caution, referring to Steve's epic focus, indomitable will, and eagerness to get things done. When well applied, it can be an incredible tool to shift paradigms. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field [1] Steve Jobs biography, Chapter 11

brazzy 14y ago

Please read this as well: http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/05/18/nikola-tesla-wasnt-god-and-thomas-edison-wasnt-the-devil/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/05/18/nikola-tesl...